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  •  since I grew up in a neigborhood (10+ / 0-)

    in Brooklyn that was 98% Jewish, where there were many families directly affected by the Holocaust, I have to admit I had trepidation about my first visit to Germany.

    I was very surprised at what I found.

    I can honestly say I have seen more virulent anti-semitism, up close and personal, here in the U.S.

    Things that are not tolerated in Germany are allowed to fester unchecked here.

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    by Denise Oliver Velez on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 09:52:52 AM PDT

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    •  blood (2+ / 0-)

      Blood dries up--but leaves a stain.  

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 10:13:34 AM PDT

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    •  There is a reason for that (5+ / 0-)

      Germans have gone through a real process of introspection.  I went to high school for a time in west Germany and the lessons were pretty openly examined.  Imagine if the deep discomfort and debate about sending soldiers abroad Germans engage in were to happen here.  Unlike Germany, the US has never had a process if thinking hard about its militaristic culture

      Touch all that arises with a spirit of compassion

      by Mindful Nature on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 11:49:32 AM PDT

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    •  You are correct, I am sure. I have taught (3+ / 0-)

      and liked German exchange students and known German immigrants whom I also liked.  But none of them could be connected to the things that bruised me as a child.  The roots of prejudice may be confined to soil which has long since blown away.
      I find myself reacting very powerfully to far right-wingers in this country who preach the same kinds of messages that were rampant in pre-war and war-time Germany.  We have that sickness here, now.
      Someone else has commented on the soul-searching that modern Germans have gone through with respect to sending troops overseas.  I appreciate that and wish the U.S. would do the same.  

    •  Very true (2+ / 0-)
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      This also affects the American schools there as well. There was absolutely no tolerance for anti-semitism at the American DOD schools in West Germany, and later Germany, I attended when I was growing up that I saw all the time when I was at civilian and even DOD schools here in the US.

      There was also a lot of discussion about propaganda and how it led to the Holocaust that I never saw discussed at civilian public schools in the US.

      Time is of no account with great thoughts, which are as fresh to-day as when they first passed through their authors' minds ages ago. - Samuel Smiles

      by moviemeister76 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:53:57 PM PDT

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