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  •  It's pretty hard to call a blond blue-eyed Russian (2+ / 0-)
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    non-white.

    Russian hair color covers the entire range from blond to black, eye color can be anything from pale blue to green to hazel to brown, but skin color is mostly very fair to medium fair.  It would be pretty damn laughable to call such fair skinned people non-white.

    "Some folks rob you with a six-gun, some rob you with a fountain pen." - Woody Guthrie

    by Involuntary Exile on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:34:40 PM PDT

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    •  It wouldn't necessarily be all Russians (0+ / 0-)

      But yeah, it would be difficult. There are other features that could be identified as "not white" though. The mistake you're making is assuming that skin color and hair color are the sine qua non of race, but that isn't true.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 02:40:45 PM PDT

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      •  Skin, hair and eye color is how most of us are (0+ / 0-)

        categorized.  I happen to be a very fair skinned, green-eyed, reddish-brown haired Slav/Prussian/Siberian admixture.  I seriously doubt that anyone looking at me would think anything but "white woman," even if they knew I was Eastern Orthodox.

        "Some folks rob you with a six-gun, some rob you with a fountain pen." - Woody Guthrie

        by Involuntary Exile on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:05:30 PM PDT

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        •  The shape of the jaw (0+ / 0-)

          and the nose and the brow are also an important part of how we code race. I've known black people who had lighter skin than other white people I know. When we try to think about it we generally think about eyes, skin and hair color because those are the things that are the easiest to point out.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:25:05 PM PDT

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    •  White (2+ / 0-)
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      I lived in the London area during my youth.  There, the only people who are considered white, are those from Northern Europe and the British Isles.  They say the Russians are mixed with Mongols. The first time I heard or saw the word "caucasian" was in a magazine from the US.

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