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  •  What a sad, sick joke. He's a US citizen. (5+ / 0-)

    Since when did we start carving out exceptions to the rule of law?

    Oh, silly me. Of course our laws only apply when it's convenient or not emotionally unsatisfying. It's the new American Way.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 07:08:53 PM PDT

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    •  Since the Supreme Court ruled on it (3+ / 0-)
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      http://www.fbi.gov/...

      That's the rule of law.

      •  Yeah, just like Citizens United! eom (2+ / 0-)
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        -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

        Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

        by 84thProblem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:14:52 PM PDT

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        •  Uhhhhh (1+ / 0-)
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          Citizens United is law as well.  You can like it or hate it, but it is what it is.  SCOTUS has the final say on these matters.

          •  Agreed, but we can also argue for our perceptions (2+ / 0-)
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            of right and wrong here, and in the public sphere as well.  Just accepting these travesties because they are the Rule of Law (insert dramatic 'dum-dum-dum' here) is - to me - wrong and I shall,  respectfully, continue to point this out.

            -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

            Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

            by 84thProblem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:27:36 PM PDT

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            •  Also agreed, (1+ / 0-)
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              but turning it on its head a little, when folks discuss said rightness and wrongness, they seem to believe that the "rule of law" is the same as civil libertarian principles, when that's frequently not the case.

              A balance between the two would probably be ideal.

              •  I'm not sure where the 'Civil Libertarian' bit (0+ / 0-)

                came from, maybe you're employing it as a rhetorical device? But I hardly think my points would lead you to believe I'm some sort of Randian.

                I know the law is just a set of rules we agree to live by and not some divine edicts.  I suppose that I'd hoped we'd continue in the general expansion of freedom I observed in my formative years, rather than the draconian contraction I've seen since Reagan.  I wish only to see what I view as 'progress' restored and have very limited tools for enacting such change.  One is the tiny voice I have at the ballot box, another is support I can give to a candidate that shares my views. But I think the most effective tool is expressing my concerns and ideas.  DK is the safest place for me to build these long-neglected skills and, to some extent, maybe even challenge others to question their acceptance of what I think are abhorrent actions by our government.  I didn't actually mean to start a pie fight!

                -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

                Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

                by 84thProblem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:54:10 PM PDT

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                •  Not at all. (0+ / 0-)
                  I'm not sure where the 'Civil Libertarian' bit came from, maybe you're employing it as a rhetorical device?
                  A bunch of folks here seem to assume that the "rule of law" agrees with them, and quite frequently it doesn't.  The civil libertarian thing was just one example.
        •  Yeah, well the SCOTUS makes decisions that (1+ / 0-)
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          not everyone agrees with.  I guess it would be impossible for that not to be so.  Progressives might not like the "public safety exception", but they can't claim that it's unconstitutional or outside rule of law.  If they want to argue against it, they'll have to do it on the merits rather than simply saying "I don't like it because it's unconstitutional."

          •  Okay, I haven't said that those connected with (2+ / 0-)

            skipping that whole Miranda thing ought to be prosecuted, persecuted, or even (dang it, I can't come up with a word for 'fired' that starts with 'p'), fired for their actions.  I DO find it objectionable and I'm not sorry in the least for expressing my disgust at the way this court has interpreted the constitution and the elected officials over the last three decades that are happy to let them twist it.

            Based upon my reading here on DK this is a pretty popular meme, so I feel quiet home here.

            -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

            Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

            by 84thProblem on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 08:36:53 PM PDT

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    •  His being a US citizen isn't relevant. (5+ / 0-)

      Read the Bill of Rights.  You never see the word "citizen" you see "people" or "person".  The bill of rights applies to all persons in US jurisdiction, not just citizens.  I don't know why so many progressives think that US constitutional protections are only afforded to US citizens.  This ain't the Roman Empire.

      I don't mean to pick on just you, but your post gave me a chance to get this off my back.  I've seen on this site many times "He's a citizen, so we can't do that to him".  Non-citizens also have the constitutional protections.

    •  1980. When New York v. Quarles (1+ / 0-)
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      was decided.  This has been the state of the law for some time.  

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