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  •  the old jerry brown woudn't have okayed/this.. (21+ / 0-)

    Monsanto is poison,gotta be stopped. Can't afford rich people anymore;must cut back. People like Dick Cheney are evil, don't belong in government. We need @ 9 different revolutions in this country, and may they all crossoverlap soon..

    by renzo capetti on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:15:07 PM PDT

    •  That dude is long dead and gone. But (19+ / 0-)

      try telling that to these clowns who didn't even live here in the 1970's, who know nothing about our politics, but who feel Oh-So-Lefty voting for "Governor Moonbeam".

      This is the guy who went to bat to stop real 3 strikes reform, who won't support single payer health care, and who fought to keep cannabis illegal.

      The sad thing is that what's happened to him is just exactly what's happened to the Party.

      I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

      by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:18:09 PM PDT

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      •  What on earth are you talking about? (4+ / 0-)

        Sad thing that's happened to Jerry Brown?  Dude, he's been one of the biggest fighters for the bullet train system we have.  Brown has been persistent since day one on bullet trains and getting them started ASAP.  

        Of course, it can be argued that the way Brown is conducting himself isn't appropriate but man, aside from funding issues and lack of transparency or efficient planning, Brown is a major supporter of high-speed rail.

        I'm not 100% happy with Brown but to point things out of the "sad state" of the party.  You do realize that the Democratic Party in California has gotten progressively more liberal?  And that the GOP is continuing to shoot itself in the foot in CA to the point where it can't even do voter registration as effectively.  I heard a story where there was voter suppression in Redwood City by a GOP poll worker.

        •  Wait! Wait! Brown does support one or (6+ / 0-)

          two good things!

          So did Arnie.

          Brown has become exactly the kind of "law and order" right winger he once campaigned against.  

          The Party has sanctioned cut back after cut back in essential services.  While it's great that they decided to stop encouraging discrimination against gay folks a decade ago, this isn't something that happened in a vacuum.

          The totality has not been a move Left ward, but an embrace of austarian idiocy.

          I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

          by JesseCW on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 05:42:00 PM PDT

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      •  Jerry Brown is still to the left of most Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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        Compared to Obama, he's practically a socialist.

        "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

        by jfern on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 02:13:34 AM PDT

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        •  How? He opposes marijuana legalization, (0+ / 0-)

          he will not support Single Payer, and he has repeatedly cautioned an immense Democratic majority not to govern like Democrats for fear of overreach, opposing efforts to even raise the minimum wage to a living wage.

          So in what ways is he to the Left of the center of the California party, which favors all of these?

          What are his "practically a socialist" proposals?

          His extremely regressive sales tax hikes?

          His draconian cuts to essential services at a time when people are the most vulnerable they've been in three generations?

          His embrace of the Prison Industrial Complex that 20 years ago he opposed by that name while running for President?

          He was beaten by the DLC, and decided to join them.

          The Media told you was "Governor Moonbeam" 30 years ago and you bought the branding.  It's got nothing to do with his actually policies.

          I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

          by JesseCW on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 01:53:48 PM PDT

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          •  You overestimate the California Democratic Party (0+ / 0-)

            when it comes to its position on issues like single payer, minimum wage, et al.  The resolutions that we can (sometimes) get passed are aspirational -- there's your "feel-good" action, if you want to identify one -- but they neither necessarily bespeak a deep intention to act on those issues nor a willingness to shun and oppose those who disagree with them.

            I think that Brown is probably about at the center of where Democratic Party members stand on most issues, to the right of engaged party activists -- and to the left of the party elites who control much of what happens.  The last are often happy to see liberal lip service ... so long as it doesn't get in the way of profit.

            "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."

                                                                   -- Saul Alinsky

            by Seneca Doane on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:40:20 PM PDT

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            •  I'd recommend checking the polls. Not just (0+ / 0-)

              Democrats, but the state as a whole backs a minimum wage of 10.50.

              That's what he suggested they stand down on.

              I love you stupid fucking fucks. Now stop poking at the dead cat on the table and get back to the issues.

              by JesseCW on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 04:03:39 PM PDT

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              •  We should talk about polls some time (0+ / 0-)

                Somehow, what people say about something when asked off the cuff does not necessarily match their subsequent behavior, including their votes.  Politicians know this, eh?  Who would get punished for opposing such an increase?

                "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."

                                                                       -- Saul Alinsky

                by Seneca Doane on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 09:09:48 AM PDT

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      •  Come on, Jesse (0+ / 0-)

        Brown v.2010 is a mixed bag, but the mix in his bag is the best we've had since Brown v.1974 (or maybe Brown v.1978.)  It's just not as good as Brown v.1958 or Brown v.1962.

        Most of us don't support Brown because he makes us feel "Oh-So-Lefty," but because we haven't been able to get the likes of Garamendi or Solis or Bowen or Dave Jones or Kamala Harris into office.  (Not a one among them is perfect either.)

        Escalating the argument as you do into the supposed "feel-good" motives for supporting Brown just detracts from the issue at hand in the diary.  I had no (or at least few) illusions about him in 2010, but I wouldn't change that vote even with hindsight.  Brown's position on the Delta is long-held and deeply troubling -- but he can be beaten on this one.  Your criticism of motives doesn't help do so.

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."

                                                               -- Saul Alinsky

        by Seneca Doane on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:34:00 PM PDT

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    •  the old jerry brown (16+ / 0-)

      was never all he was cracked up to be. And the new one isn't a whole lot better than Ahnold was.

      "Great is the guilt of an unnecessary war" - John Adams

      by esquimaux on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:19:33 PM PDT

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      •  Wow. Do you live in California to say that? (3+ / 0-)
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        My job is a whole lot safer do to Jerry. And it really sucks, what has happened to this country's economy, but it does have to be corrected, and unfortunately, it burden will be born by the people of the state. It is getting corrected. More fairly than it might have been otherwise. There is a difference between forcing a false austerity on the people of the state, and not spending money that doesn't exist. Jerry has done the latter.  

        Allowing fracking in the state however, seems insane and wrong. And this business about the Delta, I had no idea about. If it's true, then something has to be done to stop it.

      •  Your first assertion is correct. (0+ / 0-)

        Your second assertion is ridiculous.  Yes, despite significant flaws, he is a whole lot better than Arnold was.  Go back and read old stories about Arnold from Calitics if you've forgotten what he used to do in budgeting.

        "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back."

                                                               -- Saul Alinsky

        by Seneca Doane on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:42:23 PM PDT

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    •  There was no "old Jerry Brown." (4+ / 0-)

      He was always reptilian.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:40:52 PM PDT

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    •  Bullshit. He backed it in 1982. (15+ / 0-)
      The Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta is an expanse of islands and levees that's home to farmers, vacationers and a unique native ecosystem. It's also a conduit for more than a third of Southern California's water supply. Gov. Jerry Brown ran into crushing opposition in 1982 when he backed a peripheral canal that would carry water around the delta to users in Southern California. Those users saw it as an extension of the system that greened their cities. Northern Californians, environmentalists and others saw it as a water grab. It was defeated at the polls by a 3-2 margin.
      http://articles.latimes.com/...

      And

      Also in 1982, Governor Jerry Brown was proposing to build a Peripheral Canal around the delta to move Sacramento River water directly to the massive pumps that send it to the South Bay, Central Valley and Southern California.
      http://www.spur.org/...

      Just google jerry brown peripheral canal to get more.

      Also, Jerry brown's mismanagement of California's surplus led directly to the groundswell that brought us Prop 13. Shitty governor then, shitty governor now.

      What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

      by expatjourno on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 03:42:41 PM PDT

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    •  Nope! The old Jerry Brown tried to build the (9+ / 0-)

      Peripheral Canal in '82. The voters stopped him. This is old territory for him. He's just trying again. We will stop him again.  

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 08:42:08 PM PDT

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      •  oh.didn't remember that.sad.and/wrong.sorry.. (1+ / 0-)
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        Monsanto is poison,gotta be stopped. Can't afford rich people anymore;must cut back. People like Dick Cheney are evil, don't belong in government. We need @ 9 different revolutions in this country, and may they all crossoverlap soon..

        by renzo capetti on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 10:00:16 PM PDT

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