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  •  So glad to see you commenting here annieli! (7+ / 0-)

    The Public Trust Doctrine allows for reasonable and beneficial use of water as long as no damage occurs to the source.   Water rights are not water ownership. The public trust rests with the people. The water falls in the Sierras and flows to the ocean. Much like.... Anyway, the San Joaquin watershed has long been impounded and basically no outflow occurs. This comment could be a f'n diary. But if you want to start to understand WTF is going on - following Dan is a great start. Another great website to follow is http://mavensnotebook.com/ And if you get a chance to catch a viewing of Over Troubled Waters - It's a great intro movie about what's going on in the CA Delta. http://www.restorethedelta.org/...

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:22:54 PM PDT

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    •  thanks, I've looked at water's political economy, (1+ / 0-)
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      actually so I do understand the riparian issues, but I have only been casually interested in California water as a voter since the original Peripheral Canal conflict in the 1980s and more recently during the 1990s on water conservation in agribusiness. It's peripheral to some other renewables issues on the general history of US western land rights as well as renewable energy that I hope to get to once things get more settled (hah)

      Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 GOP Rep. Steve Stockman (TX):"If babies had guns, they wouldn't be aborted"

      by annieli on Sat Apr 20, 2013 at 09:42:48 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you mrsgoo. (2+ / 0-)
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      You are one of the straightest shooters on this site, and among the very best informed on this issue.

      Wish I could thank you in person, but will have to do so indirectl6 via restorethedelta.org.

      •  Actually, I have to get credit to the mr.goo (1+ / 0-)
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        He's on water like I'm on politics. Thank You for supporting restorethedelta.org! When I really need an obscure water fact - he's my go to guy! When he needs names and bs on legislation - I'm his go to gal. And Rocky The Cat don't give a shit as long as his fud and water bowl are full!  

        if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

        by mrsgoo on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 12:13:39 AM PDT

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        •  mr.goo and mrs.goo both rock (1+ / 0-)
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          Mr.goo and mrs.goo are both great advocates for the Delta. Mrs.goo is one of the most relentless and vocal defenders of the Delta on websites ranging from the Sacramento Bee, to the San Jose Mercury News, to here at the dailkos. As Delta residents and business owners, they both understand the terrible consequences to salmon, Delta fish populations, family farmers, Delta businesses and the people of California if the peripheral tunnels are built.  

          •  Thanks Dan! That was awfully kind. Did you see (0+ / 0-)

            the Sac Bee article on the Joint powers today? wow!

            if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

            by mrsgoo on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:02:35 AM PDT

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        •  Well you both have my heartfelt thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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          I can't see how anyone could sidestep your informed directness.

          Maybe it's time for the Pacific Northwest to get into the water exporting business rather than just running it into the storm drains. Or rather, it should be a national system, so that the pipelines make jobs and make sense!

          •  Thanks creosote! I have been thinking myself (1+ / 0-)
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            lately that perhaps water needs to be viewed as a national rather than regional issue.

            if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

            by mrsgoo on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 12:05:20 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks for this info. (2+ / 0-)
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