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  •  Judging from your tone in this reply and (1+ / 0-)
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    others, I seriously doubt you'd even extend your family members such quaint and obsolete courtesies as, oh, the presumption of innocence. Glad I'm not part of your family.

    •  Presumption of innocence applies in court (1+ / 0-)
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      and in custody before being taken to court, but not to murder, carjacking, or major firefight when in progress, and being pursued by every kind of law enforcement available, when you are trying to convince them to surrender to police.

      The FBI correctly called them suspects. The police being shot at didn't at that moment. Their uncle is entitled to say what he thinks, and is under no obligation to conform to the requirements placed on officers of the law.

      The basic rule of language is, "It depends."

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 01:52:12 AM PDT

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      •  Oy vey. I was snarking at the DKos user 'Elmo' (0+ / 0-)

        about his hypothetical relations with his family, not stating some general legal or philosophical principle. But since you decided to go there, I would hope that when the media besieges my family about accusations involving me, my family doesn't turn around and call me a "Loser.' How about you? Willing to have your family toss you under the bus?

        •  You would prefer that your family members (0+ / 0-)

          spin fantastic conspiracy theories, like some of the family members of the Marathon bombers?

          •  notice that the only family members spinning (0+ / 0-)

            don't live here in America. They aren't subjected to the same media coverage. And if you've ever hung out with some older Russians, they can be kinda paranoid. For good reasons.

            When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.-Mark Twain

            by Havoth on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 11:52:22 AM PDT

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    •  You seem to think that a family member (0+ / 0-)

      ought to suspend all rational judgment where a relative is concerned. There is no reasonable case to be made that these two men are not responsible for the Marathon bombing. A victim saw the elder brother put down the sack that exploded and took off both his legs below the knees less than three minutes later. Come on.

      That's the same kind of attitude that made friends and family members of accused rapists attack those young rape victims so viciously and publicly recently.

      I find that attitude abhorrent.

      The presumption of innocence is a principle that applies to jurors in a criminal trial so that the state must prove its case with evidence presented. It doesn't apply to the rest of the world.

      •  Oh, for Christ's sake, stop putting words in my (2+ / 0-)
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        mouth. Please review the entire thread before imputing to me sentiments that I never expressed. To wit, I said it 'brought me down' to see the Uncle throw not only his nephews but his brother under the proverbial bus. No serious observer is alleging that the father of the two Tsarnave brothers had anything to do with this, but he's also a 'Loser' in his brother's (the Uncle's) eyes.

        Since you mention rape and rape victims, not sure if you noticed, but the Central Park 5 (the supposed Central Park 'wilding' rapists) were all found to be COMPLETELY INNOCENT OF ALL CHARGES only recently. Yet, at the time, the same media firestorm surrounded them. Judging from your response immediately above, you would have had their family members calling the Central Park 5 'Losers' and not lose a moment's fucking sleep about it.

        http://www.innocenceproject.org/...

    •  What is Your Problem with Elmo? (0+ / 0-)

      He has not attacked you at all; he is stating an opinion that others probably share, just as some share yours. Why are you  following him to insult him and sneer at his family relationships?

      Thanks to denial, I'm immortal. -- Philip J. Fry

      by IamGumby on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 03:11:39 PM PDT

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      •  You mean after he or she implied that I take the (0+ / 0-)

        side of rapists and attack their victims? And I thought he or she was following me to attack me for failing to kiss the nether regions of authority with sufficient ardor.

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