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  •  I think the carbon tax should rebated back. (1+ / 0-)
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    thea lake

    It is more important to get a carbon tax people support than to reduce the deficit.

    So take the carbon tax and rebate it back to citizens as a 2x check.

    They see the value of keeping the tax and it has some stimulus value as well.

    And the good guys who use less carbon are rewarded.

    The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

    by NCJim on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 05:15:41 AM PDT

    •  Luckily, there won't be a carbon tax (2+ / 0-)
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      lenzy1000, BlueEyed In NC

      The economy needs a carbon tax like a hole in the head.

      And the environmental conditions in the US seem to be doing better than expected, with emissions dropping to 20 year lows.

      You want a carbon tax?  Put a carbon tax on all goods from China (and India too)!  China accounts for 65% of increases in carbon emissions.  But us Americans loves us some cheap electronics, don't we?

      •  Nonsense (3+ / 0-)
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        Miggles, Minnesota Deb, Laconic Lib

        We desperately need and could benefit from a carbon tax. What regurgitated CfG and ATR talking points are you smoking? We're the most undertaxed country on earth. Anyone doesn't like taxes, there's the border--use it.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 06:35:06 AM PDT

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        •  one could say the same about liking taxes. (0+ / 0-)

          Like taxes?  I'll give you the names of any number of countries that will gladly tax you at the 50% level.

          But, you are wrong about carbon taxes.  We are already doing almost as much as we can in reducing emissions.  It would be extremely difficult to move away from carbon any faster without tanking the economy.

          And, at the expense of repeating myself - we are at 20 year lows in emissions.

          •  And why are we at these lows? (2+ / 0-)
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            Minnesota Deb, Laconic Lib

            Gas taxes, gas prices, the economy, and regulations. It's not exactly rocket science economics to realize that punishing bad behavior tends to work, and that making offenders pay for external costs up front is a wonderful idea. If you have a beef with taxes, then you're on the wrong site.

            "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

            by kovie on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 06:59:20 AM PDT

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            •  only partly... (1+ / 0-)
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              BvueDem

              Natural Gas prices have plummeted.

              It is now much more economical to convert coal plants to natural gas, rather than modifying those plants to meet emissions standards.  And why is that?  Fracking.

              So, it proves no tax is needed. Reward good behavior - i.e. tax credits for renewables.  And regulate coal emissions to the point where moving to natural gas is a sound economic decision.  No tax needed - no tax punishments - only tax rewards.

    •  Or maybe perhaps spend it on green energy (2+ / 0-)
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      Minnesota Deb, Laconic Lib

      initiatives to give people an economically and practically viable alternative to carbon-based energy? The whole point of a carbon tax is to discourage the latter AND build up the former, not engage in supply-side economics.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 06:37:21 AM PDT

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      •  Wouldn't get the non-green votes. (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not talking about optimal, I'm talking practical.

        The highest form of spiritual practice is self observation with compassion.

        by NCJim on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 08:22:40 AM PDT

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        •  There are non-green votes? (0+ / 0-)

          Who is against green energy? Coal miners and oil workers? How many of those are there and do they really think that their line of work will exist forever and that they aren't killing people through it--including themselves?

          We need to stop playing defense and worrying about every special interest that might be upset with us. Politics is like making omelets.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Apr 21, 2013 at 08:36:41 AM PDT

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