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  •  I am following this with great interest, and your (2+ / 0-)
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    comment really helped me frame my own thoughts.  You are correct in that this has gone on for years, but I also think that maybe we are seeing more of it.  

    The old Alien and Sedition Act also gets dusted off and brought out from time to time, plus now we have some new rules and regs in place for this sort of thing.  

    These actions seem to be broadening and expanding.  Plus, we saw a lot of emergency procedures go in place in terms of people being told to stay in, a city shut down.  

    I am still trying to process this.  There is such a vast ability out there; we never really had to think about it on this level before.  Are we just all suddenly subject to getting ordered around and herded around by large groups of armed forces backed by tanks and other equipment?   If so, is this too creepy for us?

    Is there even a way to put the toothpaste back in the tube?  

    It gets on my nerves, and you know how I am about my nerves...

    by ciganka on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 03:20:58 AM PDT

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    •  Again, this stuff isn't as unprecedented as (0+ / 0-)

      you may think.

      During the Urban rebellions of the 1960's, cities were essentially placed under military control when National Guard forces were mobilized to restore order. These actions were prefigured by activation of the Guard both by state and Federal authorities during the Civil Rights movement beginning with the Little Rock desegregation crisis which led to the 101st Airborne being deployed. The use of the National Guard for domestic purposes in this period culminated in the shootings of anti-war protesters at Kent state University in Ohio.

      In 1980, I participated in a mass mobilization to protest the murder of radical labor activists by Klan and Nazis in Greensboro, NC. A state of emergency was declared and the march was carried out under the guns of the military, complete with armored vehicles and snipers on roof tops

      My point isn't that the concerns you express are unjustified. To the contrary, I think they a far too serious for their expression to be undermined by exaggerated, counter factual claims and rhetoric. While I understand the sense of urgency and justified outrage that can lead to such errors, they are ultimately counter productive to the very resistance they are trying to promote.  

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 10:51:46 AM PDT

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      •  I have read the Red Scare, People's History and (1+ / 0-)
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        am quite familiar with these patterns as well as the National Guard, urban riots, and even the Battle for Seattle.  

        I have also spent some time in a conflict zone.

        I think that the level of technology brought in and the shut down for the manhunt just took me by surprise.    

        Maybe it is from living overseas for so many years, but it looks different.  It just seems frenzied.

        I was also quite surprised on my first trip back home when they were announcing threat colors at airports.  

        Sometimes it just flat looks weird, unexpected.  However, I do not spend enough time in the States to really have an opinion on it.  I am just reading impressions and trying to form some of my own thoughts.

        It gets on my nerves, and you know how I am about my nerves...

        by ciganka on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:06:12 PM PDT

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