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  •  If they stop requiring SATs to get in to college (3+ / 0-)
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    Bon Temps, heybuddy, thestructureguy

    I'll start listening to the "no test" folks. Until then deal with it.

    Most countries I've lived in have universal testing. It's one method of upping the game.

    Seems to be doing well here in CO, if we could get rid of the charters I'd be happy though.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:37:12 AM PDT

    •  There are many colleges that don't require (7+ / 0-)

      the SAT.

      You can do the community college route to the University of California without ever taking the SAT.

      And there are many jobs, including highly paid ones like electricians, that don't require a four year degree even so.

      IE - even if you don't test well, you're not doomed to failure here in the US.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:17:28 AM PDT

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      •  elfing, you're not doomed to failure. This is (1+ / 0-)
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        ban nock

        true.  The "secrets" of taking tests is rarely shared universally.  

        It does mean you're not likely to make the first cut at top ranked schools.  

      •  Yes, but generaly speaking and just about (0+ / 0-)

        universally so, if you want a comfortable middle class life you have to get good SAT scores and get into a University with them.

        I don't mean the top 5% but the 15% below them that are very comfortable. ie your typical DK denizen.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 10:15:35 AM PDT

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        •  It's certainly nice to have great test scores (4+ / 0-)

          but by definition only half the population can score in the top half, and only a quarter can score in the top quarter. There's nothing schools can do to change that.

          I stand by my statement that it's possible to get into the University of California - which are top tier schools - via the community college route without ever even taking the SAT. You of course do have to be a good student to do so.

          The idea that it's appropriate to punish schools because parents of special ed kids don't want them to sit for inappropriate exams, or that it's appropriate to punish the students of an entire school because special ed kids aren't testing at grade level is not justified by the existence of the SAT.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 10:23:03 AM PDT

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        •  Ummm....no. (4+ / 0-)
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          The state school I attended only required ACTs.  I never took an SAT.  I went on to grad school, no questions asked.  

    •  But going to college is a choice. (1+ / 0-)
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      kurt

      Requiring an ESE student to take tests at their frustration level every year to get no real information or value for the student, giving neither the student or the parent any say. . . There is no choice involved.

      I was fine taking the SAT and every other test that I took because of a voluntary choice I made. . . That is not the situation in the post above. That said, I think standardized tests are a fine tool. So is a sledgehammer. But right now tests are being improperly used. The example above is, in my opinion, the equivalent of opening a soda with a sledgehammer. Not uncommon with tests today, sadly.

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