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  •  there were reports back in 2006 if not (3+ / 0-)
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    earlier on this. Not hard to track down, a few were from major US and European security studies firms and think tanks.

    •  I've had an interest in the Chechnya conflict (2+ / 0-)

      for a while, but I had no idea that any Chechens would want to kill Americans. Russians, yes, but Americans? I didn't see that coming at all.

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      by Noisy Democrat on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 10:47:00 AM PDT

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      •  The cause for concern wasn't so much that Chechens (6+ / 0-)

        hated Americans, but rather the acknowledgement that Chechens are a light-skinned population of Muslims that are more resistant to visual profiling than Arabs. So they were viewed as ideal recruits by AQ who could "fly below the radar."  The same could be said for Bosnians and Kosovars, but after UN/US interventions against Serbia it would be much harder to recruit them against the US due to their favorable opinions of Americans.  Chechens on the other hand are a war torn people much easier to radicalize.

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        by bigtimecynic on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 11:26:40 AM PDT

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    •  So do you think a different kind of profiling, not (0+ / 0-)

      based on race but on religion or ideology, could've helped them identify these guys faster? If you were able to predict that extremists from Chechnya would do something like this, I mean. If we drop the prejudice in favor of white people and recognize that Muslim extremists can come from the Caucasus as well, will that help us identify the bad guys faster?

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      by Noisy Democrat on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 10:49:43 AM PDT

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      •  Can we create a way of profiling for crazy? (1+ / 0-)
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        Doesn't matter what race or religion, we've suffered more attacks from white Christians than anyone else. What matters is violent extremism. But how, exactly, do you find that? I would suggest with more money for school counselors, community outreach, and neighborhood based police officers, but we all know the GOP won't let that happen.

        "The Democrats are the lesser evil and that has to count for something. Good and evil aren't binary states. All of us are both good and evil. Being less evil is the trajectory of morality." --SC

        by tb92 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:16:45 PM PDT

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          •  define crazy? sociopathic, most certainly or (1+ / 0-)
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            they wouldn't be setting bombs for the civilian population to encounter.

            Schizophrenia or another axis 1 disorder, probably not or they couldn't effectively plan an attack.

            iow, no I don't think there is any easy way to screen for "crazy" as it's really impossible to define in a situation like this.....

            One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist etc.........

            kinda OT and a wild swag,  but my bet on the beginning of radicalization was Tamerlan being denied the national Golden Gloves Title fight he had earned by winning the regional,  due to his not being a citizen.  One of the people he beat went to the finals instead.....imo that might have been a tipping point and I had barely seen it mentioned at all.  I just remember it as a tidbit from the early hours that stuck in the brain for some reason. Sorry, it just popped in again so I thought I would see what you and others thought.

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:01:08 PM PDT

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            •  Interesting (2+ / 0-)
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              I wasn't aware of him being denied the title. In my experience, it's not unusual for just such mundane motivations being the starting point for the descent into extremism.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:26:05 PM PDT

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              •  it hasn't been mentioned much at all, I only (1+ / 0-)
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                remember the 1 time myself but like you I went, "Hmmmmm"

                It often is something like that, being denied something they busted ass to earn that can start radicalizing a person...

                Plus I found a bunch of early stuff interesting, a man named Tamerlan, also a warrior (boxer, modern version) First denied the Title fight, then denied citizenship, unable to crack the Olympic team, all his life's dreams dashed.

                I hate having to include that I feel no sympathy for Tamerlan or his brother due to their actions but otherwise it will be misunderstood.

                I am just curious as to the progression. People don't wake up one morning and say, " Hey, lets go bomb something" there are triggers that let a person through the stages and the more we do figure out, the better the chance of future events being found sooner, preferably before the bombing starts....

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 01:48:02 PM PDT

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