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  •  They would have (5+ / 0-)

    I have no doubt that they would have gotten their guns regardless. But making it harder wouldn't have hurt.

    •  We can make things harder and harder on law abider (1+ / 0-)
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      and still accomplish nothing with regards to criminal behavior.

      See war on drugs.

      •  If the war on drugs (3+ / 0-)
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        Actually focused its energy on the supply side of actual dangerous substances, instead of the demand side of pot, it could accomplish something.

        Background checks are really a burden on the supply side, not the demand side.

        •  With drugs the demand side is (0+ / 0-)

          the larger issue.  Same with guns.  Unless you have a willing and solvent buyer, your product has no intrinsic value.  

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 07:49:18 AM PDT

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        •  I'm genuinely curious (0+ / 0-)

          Exactly how should we be focusing on the supply side?
          Should we be invading Mexico where they make the meth?
          Canada where they make the Ex?

          Invading Afghanistan ( where they make the opium) hasn't seemed to help much.

          How would this work?

          •  IMO, the only way to focus on the supply (0+ / 0-)

            side is to legalize everything but hard drugs. If say marijuanna was legal, legitimate business could compete w/the criminal, or the criminal would turn legit to compete.

            "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

            by StellaRay on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:40:54 AM PDT

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            •  If marijuana was legalized here today (0+ / 0-)

              The cartels would lose $8 billion/year.


              The US Federal Government defines the violence in Mexico as "a success of drug war policies" because the US federal government makes money off 'fighting drugs'.

              They like the situation EXACTLY like it is.

              •  Well, I can't think of any major (0+ / 0-)

                politician crowing over the success of the drug war at this point in time. Pretty much crickets as far as I can hear. And I'm curious---how does the US Government MAKE money off fighting drugs? Last I looked millions have be SPENT to no avail.

                "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

                by StellaRay on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 01:39:44 PM PDT

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        •  War on drugs is a profitable scam. (0+ / 0-)

          That's why it functions as it does.

          Background checks are no-brainers and I am unsure what words I spoke that would indicated to educated liberals that I am against background checks.

          it's really annoying.

      •  Universal background checks (6+ / 0-)

        which take an average of 3 minutes do not impose any "hardship" on a law abider.

        •  Gun banners read this wrong (3+ / 0-)

          I'm all for anything we can do to structure/regulate gun ownership to reduce accidents and such. I have a number of good ideas.

          What I am saying is that all these efforts, however commendable and creative, will be meaningless to criminal intent.

          I know some insist on not grasping this very basic dynamic.

          See war on drugs.


          •  Makes sense to me. (5+ / 0-)

            I mean, why even have laws against murder at all? Criminals are gonna kill just the same, right? In fact, let's de-criminalize everything. After all, what right do we the people, acting through our democratically elected government, have to regulate or penalize any threats to public safety?

            Should you wish to exercise your right to vote, well, then you need to be listed on a government maintained public registry, and may be asked to also produce your birth certificate. Even after that, the GOP will still try to find some way to protect the republic from that supreme threat to the Constitution - voting.

          •  Gun lovers (2+ / 0-)
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            read any idea that doesn't come from a fellow gun lover as an intention to ban guns.  

            We all have a number of good ideas. None of them will make it past the NRA's very effective Congressional wall of inaction.

            •  The funny thing about tipping points (1+ / 0-)
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              is that nothing seems to happen until you reach one, and then it all starts to happen at once. And then it goes on happening as long as the opposition can manage to hold on to any shreds of power and influence.

              The Civil War was a tipping point. So was Truman desegregating the military. So was the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. The final tipping point on race will come when Mississippi has a sufficient majority of anti-racists to take over the legislature and elect an anti-racist governor, after all of the other states have tipped.

              Having a huge majority for background checks turns out not to be the tipping point on firearms. Raising as much money as the NRA and the even worse GOA, spending it more effectively (because we aren't delusional), and matching their GOTV and other organization, and then defeating most of the NRA-A-rated politicians will be the real tipping point.

              Or we could get rid of the filibuster and the gerrymanders.

              Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

              by Mokurai on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 08:59:42 AM PDT

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          •  exactly! (0+ / 0-)

            If you want to buy a handgun you can.  Even if the government institutes background checks at gun sales or whatever it won't stop people from acquiring them.  

            Neither suspect had a license for the guns they used. Of course, thanks to the NRA and cowardly lawmakers who killed background checks for gun purchases, not having a license isn't a problem if you want to buy a gun. Thanks, guys.
            Passing bills in congress will not change the fact that their are literally millions of handguns in this country and most are unregistered.  They can and are sold and traded by individuals who don't need the governments consent or authorization to do so.  Thinking anything else is just naive.

            Yes, I am psychic...or was that psycho? I always forget which.

            by Farradin on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 09:15:22 AM PDT

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            •  Even if you don't stop it you can make it harder (0+ / 0-)

              Under the current law, the bombers could have bought their guns anywhere a background check wasn't required.  (I'm assuming a background check would have discovered their lack of a license, and the purchase would be denied.)  

              Under a better law, they couldn't have bought their guns anywhere legally.  To be sure, that wouldn't have stopped them, but it would have forced them to go to the black market.  That would have been more expensive and more dangerous.  Maybe it wouldn't have deterred someone desperate like the bomber, but it might have deterred someone else marginally less desperate, or marginally less wealthy.

              Don't know what percentage of those who currently trade and sell guns "without the permission of the government" today, when it's legal, would continue to do it if it were made illegal.  There are lots of things that I didn't do, like make fraudulent claims to my insurance company for example, that I and I'm sure others don't do because there are felony penalties and a non-trivial chance of getting caught.

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