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  •  And if he had done a prime time address (0+ / 0-)

    and the bill still failed, you'd find some other reason to blame him. I can tell you're not a fan.

    My opinion is that the failure comes down to we the voters.  While 80-90% of those polled said universal background checks were a good idea, I also heard another poll cited recently that asked where gun control ranked on people's list of priorities. Only 4% listed it as a top priority. And that's what politicians know. It is not a dealbreaker.

    Sandy Hook is a good example of that. Most if not all of those parents admitted they had not been active in the issue prior to the shooting. Unless people are directly impacted by gun violence, they aren't likely to spend a lot of time lobbying for change and working for pro-gun-safety candidates.  Second amendment defenders, on the other hand, are passionate, even if that passion is often based on misinformation. They are single issue voters and they will punish those who voted yes. But the rest of us will still vote for our "no vote" rep even as long as he or she is right on other issues. That's the difference.

    As a result of all this, I don't think you're going to see Democrats take it up as a national platform issue for a long time.  At this point, people would be wise to look at the states where legislation has been passed, because gun rights groups are now targeting those legislators in hopes of eventual repeal there too.  

    •  I think it's dormant, for now, but simmering. (0+ / 0-)

      The [only] good news is that the NRA is highly unlikely to get anything it wants through, even as an attachment to some unrelated bill in the future.

      It is possible that a law could be passed to put the ATF director post back into normal appointment processes and therefore outside Senate control - and therefore abnegation. And as for tagging explosives that arguably will help in bomb investigations, that's a law that deserves passage and would be hard to lobby against except as some sort of administrative burden (which is a malarky argument).

      Another act of massacre violence will re-ignite the forces behind the bill, as will be well-heeled PACs and Super-PACs doing advertising this year and next, to thank supporters and to criticize and encourage the nay-sayers.

      We will get another gun case up for review that, hopefully, will show limits to the sweep of the Second Amendment, as Scalia wrote in his otherwise dreadful opinion in the Heller DC "self-defense" case.

      Remember, this doesn't have to be "a national platform issue" to be taken up by a majority of Democrats. And as you say, there will be state legislation like that in CT, CO and elsewhere.

      Time will eventually wound these heels. The issue will recur in one form or another, sooner rather than later. This time, it is not - as the NRA has counted on in the past - going away.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 12:49:28 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        that gun safety folks won't go away so easily as in the past. But I just get perturbed with the unrealistic expectations some have regarding what was possible in this latest instance. The thought that if Obama had just given a speech a day or a prime time address that would have tipped the scales is absurd.  

        I think the gun-safety proponents need to take a cue from the anti-abortion proponents. Focus on the state level, get even minor laws enacted when possible and celebrate those small victories as victories, not as defeats because they didn't conquer every aspect of the issue at once.

        •  That's not what I said ... (0+ / 0-)
          if Obama had just given a speech a day or a prime time address that would have tipped the scales is absurd.  
          Those are your, rather extreme, words.  My beef is about how hard this President tries, including on the gun control issue.  My take is not that hard and, in fact, because he actually went further on gun control than just about any other issue, he looked good on gun control as long as you didn't "grade him on a curve."

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 03:11:42 PM PDT

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          •  Where we disagree (0+ / 0-)

            Is that I do think he put a lot into the effort, both directly and indirectly (via Biden).  

            You say my words exaggerate your position, but then you say he doesn't try hard enough. So tell me precisely how he could try harder in a way that would meet your satisfaction?  Do we even know everything he did behind the scenes? I don't. Are you really grading the effort or the end result?  

            I believe Progressives think Elizabeth Warren tries really hard, she's tenacious, she speaks truth to power, etc. So let's see how many of her legislative ideas become law. Probably very few, and those that do will be watered down or contain compromises that will displease liberals but are necessary to get the bill to pass. What grade will she get?

            I don't have a problem with people criticizing Obama; I've done it myself. But I also feel he has been worthy of praise at several points over the last 4+ years. If you want to echo the sentiment of Fox News' Roger Ailes and others who call Obama lazy, go for it.  I just happen to disagree.

            •  The point is how hard he tries. For me, it's a (0+ / 0-)

              question of how hard he tries.  Whether he wins or loses matters of course, but to lose without trying - or trying very hard - is unforgivable. Taking a strong stand and losing makes a difference if that stand is based on sincerely held values and principles.

              So, yes, Warren may not get her policies passed, but if she sticks to her guns, I'd give her an A+.  And the grade is not just for trying, but for educating people and demonstrating that some things are worth taking a stand for even in failure.  Can you actually imagine Obama making such a sacrifice?  I can't.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 06:06:51 PM PDT

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