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  •  Yep. And we should let the fertilizer companies (1+ / 0-)
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    run OSHA, and the oil companies run the EPA, too.

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    by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:02:06 PM PDT

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    •  those are regulatory agencies (0+ / 0-)

      the faa does plenty more.

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      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:15:51 PM PDT

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      •  Such as? (0+ / 0-)

        As an airline pilot, I would say that air traffic controllers are part of the regulatory system.

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        by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:35:11 PM PDT

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        •  regulatory (0+ / 0-)

          would be ensuring they do their jobs. they're no more regulatory than are ski patrol.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:54:14 PM PDT

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          •  No more regulatory than the ski patrol? (0+ / 0-)

            Have you sat in the cockpit of an airliner for a day?  Imagine the ski patrol standing at the bottom of the lift, getting to in line...no you first, then you, then you.  Imagine the ski patrol mixing in skiers of differing abilities, so that you didn't have a whole group of them going in the same direction at the same speed all at once.  Then imagine the ski patrol with radar guns, and telling faster skiers to slow down, because they were getting too close to ones ahead, and slower skiers to speed up, or get out of the way...off to the side of the run.  

            Imagine the ski patrol issuing citations for skiing too fast near the lodge, with fines attached.  Or fines for not following their instructions on the slopes.  Imagine them telling each skiier to turn left, now right, now left, now right.  And then saying, no too many skiiers on this run...you there, you have to take a different run, down the long way to the lodge.

            That is something like how they compare to the ski patrol...

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            by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:02:23 PM PDT

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            •  different levels (0+ / 0-)

              same dynamic. both in service of private enterprise.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:06:56 PM PDT

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              •  I'm disappointed, Laurence. (0+ / 0-)

                I've been reccing your diaries and comments right and left the last couple of weeks...you seem to be hitting them out of the park.  Swing and a miss on this one, though.

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                by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:12:37 PM PDT

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                •  i think your argument (0+ / 0-)

                  ultimately comes down to the importance of the airline industry. which to me is an argument for socializing it. but as a general rule, i believe industries should bear the costs of their own management and operation.

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:15:57 PM PDT

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                  •  Management is things like deciding what airplanes (0+ / 0-)

                    To buy, which cities to serve, how much to charge for peanuts, and what color to paint the planes, how many employees you need...etc.  Airlines have people for that.  Operation includes making sure the aircraft are ready for flight, fuel is on hand, spare tires, etc, crews are scheduled to fly them, get adequate rest to comply with regulations, planes are cleaned and fueled and scheduled for maintenance on time.  Airlines hire people for that.

                    Regulators make sure that in doing all that, they don't hurt the general public, or each other, in the process.  Best that is a separate organization.

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                    by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:24:25 PM PDT

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              •  Any regulatory agency has to jot only write (0+ / 0-)

                the regulations...they need inspectors and enforcers.  The FAA has people whose primary function is one or the other, but Air Traffic Control also acts to some extent in both of those capacities.  Yes, they facilitate some of the things the airline needs to do, as far as infrastructure.  But they also severely limit the airlines plans, with slot controls, flow controls, metering programs, and closing off airspace or airports when they feel it is necessary.

                Forget the ski patrol...try driving to the store to get some milk with a police officer sitting in your back seat, telling you what route to take, how fast to go, which way to turn, when to slow down, and where to park...pointing out pedestrians along the way, and puddles.  And then come back and tell me how regulatory that was.

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                by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:19:55 PM PDT

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        •  They meter out the airplanes, keeping them a (1+ / 0-)
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          safe distance apart...much as one ought to do with ammonium nitrate, I suppose.  From my perspctive, they often get into micro-managing, and un-neccessarily cut into efficiency...they are very involved regulators.  Better by far than not being involved enough, though.  If they were removed from the equation, the airlines would have a quick race to the bottom to cut corners...just look what they have done with passenger service...and the end result would be very ugly indeed.

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          by Bisbonian on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:55:21 PM PDT

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