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  •  Nope it will not hurt the poor and middle class (1+ / 0-)
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    Many economists believe that immigration reform will actually INCREASE wages for it will be far more regulated.

    President Obama, January 9, 2012: "Change is hard, but it is possible. I've Seen it. I've Lived it."

    by Drdemocrat on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 04:27:19 AM PDT

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    •  Many Economists Believe in Austrity and Free Trade (7+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 04:30:38 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, and they are all Neoliberal disciples (2+ / 0-)
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      of Milton Friedman -- scumbags all.

      Obama Style Justice: Make 99% of Bush Tax Cuts Permanent. Then cut Senior's Social Security to pay for it. Hey Grandma, F#@K YOU!

      by CitizenOfEarth on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 04:50:16 AM PDT

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    •  Color me unconvinced! (2+ / 0-)
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      There is no basis for that belief, in my opinion, except an ideology-driven desire for it to be true.  Against that view, I'd put this observation: the very employers who, according to those economists, would be forced to pay better wages in a "far more regulated" context actually support immigration reform.  Since when do unscrupulous employers support something that goes against their interests?

      You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

      by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 05:22:57 AM PDT

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      •  What I remain confused about is why (0+ / 0-)

        US employers leave almost 4 million jobs unfilled.

        One option is that there are no qualified employees

        A second option is that they're a bunch of cheap asses who don't want to pay appropriate wages to attract workers (e.g., they're not all offering John McCain-like $50/hour wages to pick their lettuce).

        But, setting aside that issue - let's just say we as a country suck it up and fill those jobs one way or another - the question is "would having 4 million more people working in this country start a virtuous cycle leading to ever more employment for "real" Americans"?

        Who knows, maybe not.  The "business cycle" could very well have been revoked when I wasn't paying attention.

        •  They make more money by doing so (2+ / 0-)
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          Often fairly large companies pay very low wages and have a constant hiring and recruitment program going on. By constantly looking to hire people and by keeping wages as low as they possibly can it adds to profits quite a bit.

          To be constantly understaffed and constantly hiring might cost some more in HR people and lost productivity but if made up for and then some in profits... well it's ok.

          How big is your personal carbon footprint?

          by ban nock on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 06:16:41 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe in some cases (0+ / 0-)

            but in the past 2 or 3 years there have been billions of dollars of crops left unpicked in states subject to rampant xenophobia that scared away the migrant workers.

            In these cases, the locals did not step in to fill the void.  Instead billions of dollars of economic activity simply went down the drain.    Sure, most of the profits would have eventually accrued to big corporations, so who gives a fuck, right?

            Well, that's one way to look at it.  Another way is the pensioners, etc - have their retirements funds tied up in these big corporations, and if the big corporations do well, they might see a few more nickels and dimes coming their way each week.  An example of the Stockholm syndrome in work perhaps, but still they would have benefited just a little bit.

            And then gone out and spent their slightly increased income at local restaurants and strip clubs, who knows where, really.  But at places that actually employ people.

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