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  •  I think they have this in place: (0+ / 0-)
    Why not allow equal access to immigration for people from any country
    insofar as some countries have no more immigration slots left . . . I'm a little bit vague on this, but apparently preference IS given to people from under-represented countries of origin.  So that, like you suggest, "equal access" for people from any country is maintained.

    I have a sense that that is more difficult to achieve than one might think when first suggesting the strategy, however.

    Really, just how would one entice somebody from France to move here?

    •  50,000 out of one million. (0+ / 0-)

      How is that preference?

      •  Those are about the H-1 visa numbers (0+ / 0-)

        compared to open jobs and you have made a career about posting at this site about how that constitutes a huge and egregious example of preference for the foreign workers.

        Which is what I always wondered whether it was a substantial issue based on the numbers involved.

        Looks like we have reached agreement on * something * !

        •  What does this even mean? (1+ / 0-)
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          •  It means that if your outrage works in one (0+ / 0-)

            direction, similar considerations should apply when the stats point in a different direction.

            •  What stats point where? (1+ / 0-)
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              WorkerInUSA

              I am for U.S. workers, not stats.  

              •  Well, you often decry H1 visas (0+ / 0-)

                of which about 128,000 are granted each year.

                So, if there are 3,000,000 open jobs at any one time (which is a conservative estimate), if all the H1 folk flooded into the country instantaneously, they'd take about 50,000 jobs out of 1,000,000.

                You claim that is Apocalypse for the US worker.

                OK fair enough, for argument's sake I'll buy that.  

                BUT, you can't then turn around and claim that 50,000 out of 1,000,000 immigrants who are subject to country-of-origin restrictions aren't significant (presumably because they are too small of a proportion of the entire pool).

                Seriously, these numbers either have to be substantial in both directions, not just the direction that fits your pet peeves, or not.  You can't have it both ways - it makes you look rather idiotic.

                •  It's a huge proportion of the (0+ / 0-)

                  jobs in a specific sector.

                  You know, high-paying high tech jobs.

                  Gee, it's like you have a PURPOSEFUL lack of understanding of the labor system. It is not a homogeneous thing.

                  •  OK, now the truth comes out (0+ / 0-)

                    (which is always only an inch or so below the surface) that the concern isn't really about the American worker in general nearly so much as a particular economic sector that considers itself to be unfairly or maybe even uniquely damaged by US Immigration policy

                    Fair enough - but why not just be more upfront about this?

                •  H-1b L-1, J-1, F-1, O-1, B-1 (0+ / 0-)

                  It's more like 1,500,000 per year, considering all of the mechanisms. There are 500,000 J-1s alone. The J-1 is used to bring in physicians, and is not capped.

                  •  According to (1+ / 0-)
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                    this link it appears that there are about 3,000 physicians in the USA under J visas.

                    IOW, hardly enough to affect career prospects for USA-born doctors one way or another

                    •  There are 500,000 j-1 visas (1+ / 0-)
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                      They fill thousands of summer jobs. We have youth unemployment of 25 % and we bring in workers from Malaysia to fill MacDonald's position - whY? Simple. J-1 get huge tax breaks - no SS, no unemployment, no medicare taxes.

                      Why do we give corporatists a tax break to throw US workers out of jobs?

                      Why do you approve of the Bob Perry cheap labor system?

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