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  •  It means that if your outrage works in one (0+ / 0-)

    direction, similar considerations should apply when the stats point in a different direction.

    •  What stats point where? (1+ / 0-)
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      WorkerInUSA

      I am for U.S. workers, not stats.  

      •  Well, you often decry H1 visas (0+ / 0-)

        of which about 128,000 are granted each year.

        So, if there are 3,000,000 open jobs at any one time (which is a conservative estimate), if all the H1 folk flooded into the country instantaneously, they'd take about 50,000 jobs out of 1,000,000.

        You claim that is Apocalypse for the US worker.

        OK fair enough, for argument's sake I'll buy that.  

        BUT, you can't then turn around and claim that 50,000 out of 1,000,000 immigrants who are subject to country-of-origin restrictions aren't significant (presumably because they are too small of a proportion of the entire pool).

        Seriously, these numbers either have to be substantial in both directions, not just the direction that fits your pet peeves, or not.  You can't have it both ways - it makes you look rather idiotic.

        •  It's a huge proportion of the (0+ / 0-)

          jobs in a specific sector.

          You know, high-paying high tech jobs.

          Gee, it's like you have a PURPOSEFUL lack of understanding of the labor system. It is not a homogeneous thing.

          •  OK, now the truth comes out (0+ / 0-)

            (which is always only an inch or so below the surface) that the concern isn't really about the American worker in general nearly so much as a particular economic sector that considers itself to be unfairly or maybe even uniquely damaged by US Immigration policy

            Fair enough - but why not just be more upfront about this?

        •  H-1b L-1, J-1, F-1, O-1, B-1 (0+ / 0-)

          It's more like 1,500,000 per year, considering all of the mechanisms. There are 500,000 J-1s alone. The J-1 is used to bring in physicians, and is not capped.

          •  According to (1+ / 0-)
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            JeremySchro

            this link it appears that there are about 3,000 physicians in the USA under J visas.

            IOW, hardly enough to affect career prospects for USA-born doctors one way or another

            •  There are 500,000 j-1 visas (1+ / 0-)
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              Roadbed Guy

              They fill thousands of summer jobs. We have youth unemployment of 25 % and we bring in workers from Malaysia to fill MacDonald's position - whY? Simple. J-1 get huge tax breaks - no SS, no unemployment, no medicare taxes.

              Why do we give corporatists a tax break to throw US workers out of jobs?

              Why do you approve of the Bob Perry cheap labor system?

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