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    I'm in favor of coalitions, and I STRONGLY reject the general perception of climate change as an environmental problem to be solved by environmentalists.  To the contrary, climate change can be fairly viewed as an economic problem.

    Our coalition includes climate victims, clean energy capitalists, and the military, as just some examples.

    Do the math. #unfrackCal. @RL_Miller

    by RLMiller on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:13:53 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry, don't know your jargon. (3+ / 0-)
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      I STRONGLY reject the general perception of climate change as an environmental problem to be solved by environmentalists.
      Don't know that I said that, but this is a good example of failing to enlarge a coalition.  

      It's an eeconomic problem, it's an enviromental problem, it's a moral disaster, it's a lot of things.  

      But attributing to me a posiiton that "climate change as an environmental problem to be solved by environmentalists" because I used the words "environmental mass movement" is a bit of a stretch.  You know the subtle words and arguments, but I don't.  I said something "wrong."

      In the end, calling it the super-doer only issue that matters or should matter to anyone, does not necessarily persuade many.  

      Those who are out of a job may see that as the biggest economic issues in their life.  Telling them they are wrong probably won't convince them.    

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      by TomP on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:20:21 AM PDT

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      •  wasn't trying to attribute words to you... (0+ / 0-)

        just speaking very generally/spouting off philosophy. I think you're saying that labeling climate change an economic problem is just a rebranding and that more needs to be done to convince people out of jobs that they should join in a climate coalition. (But I don't want to put words in your mouth, so let me know if I'm wrong.) I am listening intently and learning.

        Do the math. #unfrackCal. @RL_Miller

        by RLMiller on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:38:37 AM PDT

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        •  No, that is not what I am saying. (2+ / 0-)
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          My point is that you know the "truth" that climate change is important, but not every person shares your view.  Reaching others from that position is not always effective because they may know a different "truth" and believe it with as much fervor.  

          That is all.  

          Not talking about rebranding.  

          Do you think opponents of climate change have been effective?  Now we have many people believing it is a myth, agaisnt all evidence.  There are reasons for that, see, e.g., Big Oil, Big Coal, etc..

          I do not know the answers.  The problem when one gets deep into an "issue" (I understand this is more than an "issue") is translating that knowledge to one who lacks the depth.  

          The folks you likely talk to a lot share your views.  Of course, climate change is more improtant than anything else because it means the earth and tremendous damage and death.  Yet, the vast majority do not see it that way.

          I have no magic answers.  But what may be self-apparent to you is not to everyone.  Otherwise the issue would not exist.    

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          by TomP on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 10:49:46 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks for the "clean energy capitalist" comment (1+ / 0-)
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      That actually helps describe my attitude on clean energy. I'm concerned about the environment, of course, but I really see the economic benefits of clean energy, and the problem of local environmental damage as more... pressing in my mind. Solving worldwide climate change is an side benefit to that.

      Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

      by Gygaxian on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 11:08:29 AM PDT

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