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  •  Lots of them (6+ / 0-)

    Car companies. Architects. Civil engineers (think about all those different kinds of bridges, freeway interchanges, etc.). OS coders.

    Not to mention that one could readily argue for more than a little artistry on the part of a Prime Mover, which allows for even more variety on artistic grounds.

    "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

    by pragmaticidealist on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 02:17:20 PM PDT

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    •  Or natural selection (3+ / 0-)
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      in differing environments with different chance mutations.

      Why do creationists watch the Westminster Dog shows and the like, note the differences bread into horses such that some turn out to be Arabian thoroughbreds and others Clydesdales, and not believe nature "sculpted" wild animals just as man has his domesticated stock?

      Even Democrats can be asses. Look at Rahm Emanuel.

      by Helpless on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 03:52:28 PM PDT

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      •  Because man is intelligent (7+ / 0-)

        so man gets to breed horses and dogs, but nature is not intelligent, so all those non bred things need a designer, and didn't evolve anyway because that's just a theory.

        Alice didn't think she could believe impossible things, but the Red Queen disabused her of that notion: "You simply haven't practiced enough, my dear! Why, when I was your age I made it a point to believe six impossible things before breakfast!"

        "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

        by Orinoco on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 04:49:51 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not defending Creationists (2+ / 0-)
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        I'm just answering your question. It does us no good to pose questions that can be easily countered by those we engage, whether to enlighten or discredit.

        As to why Creationists believe what they believe, I can only guess, not being one myself. I suspect it has to do with the fairly common human tendency to take comfort in simple answers to hard questions. In the face of a world that seems to so many to be increasingly harsh, increasingly cruel, increasingly beyond human scale and decreasingly subject to taming to human desires and needs, I suspect that there's a great deal of comfort to be found in the idea that the folk who promulgate the theories and create the technologies that make life seem so increasingly alien are simply wrong, and that the whole shebang was created specifically to be intellectually baffling, a test to prove the supremacy of faith over reason.

        But that's just a guess. I was just offering a response to your question about intelligent actors. Sometimes circumstances require innovation, and sometimes change is just fun. If for us, why not for God?

        "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

        by pragmaticidealist on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 06:47:18 PM PDT

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        •  You left out the part about mountebanks (as (0+ / 0-)

          Mencken called them) using the anxiety and credulity of the masses for their own self-gain or even more nefarious purposes.  There is a reason that scientific fundamentalism is so much more common and influential in America than in Western Europe.

          "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

          by Oliver St John Gogarty on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:05:15 AM PDT

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    •  As an architect I support intelligent design (2+ / 0-)
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      which ought I think to include making the connection between the climate change resulting in rising sea levels and the design and building of cities located at river mouths as contraindicated.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 02:51:58 AM PDT

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    •  Ah yes, the "Great Chain of Being" argument. (0+ / 0-)

      About as medieval as the natural law argument against "artificial" (whatever the fk THAT means) birth control.  No wonder a good chunk of Americans still believe that the Sun goes around the Earth -- so many of their institutions (Fundamentalist churches, Catholicism, the SCOTUS Gang of Five) think that human intellectual progress stopped in 1500.

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 07:58:50 AM PDT

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      •  You asked the question. (0+ / 0-)

        I answered it.

        I did not make any argument at all.

        Go be snide at someone who wants to argue with you.

        "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

        by pragmaticidealist on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 01:49:45 PM PDT

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