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  •  You're correct, to a point (3+ / 0-)
    When it comes to Congressional elections, most people will vote for the scoundrel in their party -- who can be counted on to vote the way they want in Congress -- over somebody with no skeletons in their closet, but who can be counted to vote opposite to the way they want in Congress.
    It's going to come down to "independents". And by that I mean those voters who are too embarrassed or disgusted by Sanford's antics to vote Republican for some perceived legislative advantage. Hopefully we get enough Republicans staying home and enough Democrats motivated to vote that we swing this one into the win column.

    You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 01:06:45 PM PDT

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    •  The more liberal he can paint her (3+ / 0-)
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      the more motivated Republicans will be to vote -- not for him, but against her.  I suspect that at some point you'll see ads that say a vote for her is a vote to make Nancy Pelosi speaker again.  That kind of thing will make Republicans vote no matter how sordid Sanford's personal life is.  They don't like what Sanford did, but they REALLY hate the notion of Rep. Pelosi becoming speaker again.  

      •  I still see, "Stop Pelosi" bumperstickers on cars (1+ / 0-)
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        around here. Often on cars of old folks being hurt by Republicans but "Freedom!" or something keeps them voting Republican.

        You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

        by ontheleftcoast on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 01:16:38 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, i must agree with coffeetalk. (1+ / 0-)
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        Let me give another example.  Massachusetts voters (including myself) kept Ted Kennedy in the Senate for another 40 years after Chappaquidick.  Whatever personal shortcomings Ted had, he was seen as a liberal bulwark against Republicanism.  it's usually more about the ideology.

        Having said this, I still hope Colbert Busch can pull it off.

        "One of the greatest tragedies of man's long trek along the highway of history has been the limiting of neighborly concern to tribe, race, class or nation." Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by brae70 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 02:52:52 PM PDT

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    •  And here's the Democratic corrollary (2+ / 0-)
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      Let's say that in a congressional election, you have a choice between Anthony Weiner and a Republican with a completely spotless personal life.  Weiner will vote for Rep. Pelosi for Speaker and vote consistently with the Democrats, and Mr. Spotless Republican will vote for Boehner to remain speaker and vote consistently with Republicans.  

      Who would you vote for?

      •  Easy. Weiner. (1+ / 0-)
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        He tweeted his junk.

        Insanely stupid. Massively embarrassing.

        But he did not go MIA for days with his mistress. He did not use state funds for it. He did not have a weeping press conference to say that he intended to keep on tweeting his junk because it was so wonderful.

        His (and Sanford's) personal lives are not relevant to us, but if one were to ignore someone's slimebaggyness, you could point to the fact that Weiner is still married to the same woman and seems to have worked it all out. Contrast with Sanford who uses his children as a prop at victory parties and as an excuse for law-breaking trespass, and doesn't even give them a heads up that it is coming.

        Weiner. By a long shot.

        Hopefully ...... soon, Mom. My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

        by pucklady on Tue Apr 23, 2013 at 01:45:35 PM PDT

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        •  You'd vote for Weiner even if (1+ / 0-)
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          he had done everything that Sanford did.  Most Democrats would.  Because elections are a choice, and for most Democrats, someone who will vote solidly Democratic down the line, but did everything Sanford did, is far preferable to Mr. Super Clean Republican would vote with Boehner down the line.

          My point was not to compare Weiner and Sanford. You can put somebody else's name in there --Bill Clinton, or whomever -- who's done some pretty disgusting things in his/her personal life.  My point is that most people will vote for somebody with a sordid past who will vote with their interests in Congress over somebody who is squeaky clean but who, if elected, will vote against everything they stand for.  

          Sure, that sordid past may cause some people to think about staying home.  But a smart politician knows that the best way to bring them out is to say, but the other candidate will vote for (insert position that horrifies your base here).  Then they will come out to vote AGAINST the opposition.  And that's what Sanford is doing.  

          It's actually smart politics on his part.  He's going ask people to vote AGAINST a liberal Democrat, rather than for him.

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