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  •  That may be the most important issue ... (10+ / 0-)

    ... but I am increasingly convinced that campaign finance reform is the first issue; without fixing that, nothing meaningful gets done.

    •  Well, maybe, but (1+ / 0-)
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      GreyHawk

      as problems go, it's probably the most intractable, because both parties (a couple of gadflies in the Democratic Party excepted) are delighted with the status quo.

      Whereas progress on a lot of others, including climate change, can be made in spite of the intractability of the Beltway Bandits.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:09:59 AM PDT

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        •  Never, of course, (2+ / 0-)
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          because it runs counter to the interests of just about every elected official.

          Some legislation is passable.  Some folks can be moved to support matters they're fairly indifferent about or won't support until it's safe to do so -- e.g., the current POTUS and marriage equality), but I don't expect campaign finance reform will ever pass.  

          The current system doesn't "work" as it does because of or in spite of marriage equality (to stick with this one issue), but it does "work" as it does on the basis of a flood of money.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:24:16 AM PDT

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        •  Here Is What Needs To Be Said (3+ / 0-)
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          I can only speak for where I live. I live in a rural area. A lot of folks make their living farming. I live in a very "red" area. If you came to my house I could take you to a bar with a ton of farmers.

          Honestly they think Obama is from Kenya and he wants to take away their guns. I can't stress this enough, they are NOT liberal.

          But bring up climate change and they seem to turn into pot smoking hippie liberals. They know things are FUBAR. They don't have any questions that our climate is changing, and not in a good way.

          Why we can't bring these rural folks (where we don't share any other views in common) in with liberals like you and me .... well I just don't understand.

          When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

          by webranding on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:29:54 AM PDT

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    •  Remember when Clinton and Gingrich (4+ / 0-)

      agreed at that 'town meeting' somewhere in New England that they would negotiate a campaign finance bill and pass it that same year?

      Are they still negotiating?

      Too late for the simple life, too early for android love slaves - Savio

      by Clem Yeobright on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:17:39 AM PDT

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    •  "without fixing that" (3+ / 0-)
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      and we could go on and on in circles (and we do! lol) debating the "that", because many of us maintain that the root goes even deeper (than campaign finance reform) and is a big reason why Occupy took off like it did back in 2011. Its also a reason why Occupy floundered and ultimately "failed" (or was squelched to be more accurate) i.e. the "corporate coup of our democracy", Citizens United, etc etc... and around and around we go.

      So how do we address that?

      {sigh}

      DKos has its "inside" agitators and gate crashers and then it has its "outside" rabble-rousers & hell-raisers. The proverbial sux vs rox "factions" who are often at odds with each other.  We're going to disagree on a helluva lot of issues (and especially on methods) but do we not all agree at least on This One Thing? Serious question.

      And if so, then what can we - collectively - do about it? What kinds of DK Actions can the Bowers team cook up that would help nudge, if not actually move, this issue forward? (instead of us just spinning our wheels)....

      I know theres no simple answers just kinda thinking out loud here...

      If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

      by Lady Libertine on Wed Apr 24, 2013 at 08:27:36 AM PDT

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    •  If that's the case (2+ / 0-)
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      Shahryar, GreyHawk

      why use face book likes and tweets for what gets pushed editorially? How does appealing to people who want to read about Bachman, Wal Mart, and Texas get anything accomplished about campaign finance reform? That is some cart before the horse useless politics. People may be news junkies but I thought this was a site that billed itself as reality based Democratic  politics. Talk about low information voters, if you only care about running up your stats via the social media likes and dislikes how in the hell is that going to result in people taking action on any issue that results in 'better Dems'.  

      I never come here for 'news' anymore there is none other then mocking Republicans or the latest rigged by-partisan DC kabuki show replete with meaningless memes or talking points that do nothing obscure the reality and maintain the 'intolerable status quo'. Politico and Huffpo has more real political news then dkos does at this point which is pathetic. Ask me it's why the freaking D party machine is useless and how we ended up with this lot in power and lobbyists, banksters and war criminals instead of Democrats running the D electoral machine and our government.

      •  I see a lot of real political stuff happening here (1+ / 0-)
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        and don''t think it's simply a matter of "running up stats" - there's an ebb and flow of stuff, and the community has pools & eddies that swirl about various topics like a real current.

        I am sick of the Kabuki theater in DC - it's become far worse since the GOP enacted its moratorium on progress and the Democrats haven't successfully called them out and forced them to change.

        I used to refer to it "Kabuki theater in a Potemkin village" but now I think it's nearly achieved a new level of mixed & twisted metaphor, "Kabuki theater in a Potemkin 'Village of the Damned.'"

        But I still see dKos as a powerful tool for news, information and activism.

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