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  •  True but irrelevant; (3+ / 0-)
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    the election appears to have been cleaner than any of our presidential elections -- not that that's setting the bar terribly high -- and we have no problem legitimizing the results of sham elections held in much worse states.

    Quite frankly, Venezuela would be much better off it if just expelled the entire American diplomatic corps.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 09:49:10 AM PDT

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    •  No it does not appear clean at all (1+ / 0-)
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      There were numerous discoveries after the election of uncounted votes, reported by bloggers before their sites were taken down (that's the state of the press in Venezuela), and news of that discovery is what led to Maduro rescinding his own request for a recount, instead opting for just audit of the reported totals.  

      By asking Venezuela for a recount through official diplomatic channels, the US is signalling to the Venezuelan government that all is not well and that concessions will have to made to the US if they want our diplomatic help for things going forward.  (Which they will want, just as Chavez also did, because they still have diplomatic relations and their economy is entirely dependent on the US.)  Again, part of the lawful process of democratic governance and nothing to be alarmed about or to oppose.

      •  Didn't say clean; (2+ / 0-)
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        just cleaner than ours.

        The less "diplomatic help" Venezuela receives from us, the better.  

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:07:25 AM PDT

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      •  State : Huge irregularities in Putin’s election (1+ / 0-)
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        EastSideDemocrat, does this mean that "all is not well and that concessions will have to made to the US if they want our diplomatic help for things going forward."

        State Department: Huge irregularities in Putin’s election

         Friday, April 19, 2013 - 5:24 PM

        http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/...

         The State Department issued a report Friday that detailed widespread accusations of fraud and abuse in the March 2012 election that brought Vladimir Putin back into the Russian presidency.

        U.S.-Russian relations have been in a tailspin since Putin's return as head of state in Moscow, following his four years as prime minister under the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev. The United States and Russia have been at odds over a U.S. list of Russian human rights violators, the Russian decision to ban U.S. adoptions of Russian children, Russian persecution of international NGOs, the expulsion from Russia of USAID, and Russia's unilateral withdrawal from the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction program.

        In the run-up to Putin's election, huge protests swept Moscow and Putin blamed then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for "inciting" the crowds that had protested the Russian parliamentary elections in December 2011where fraud and abuse were also widely reported.

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        by PatriciaVa on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 11:31:56 AM PDT

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        •  Basically, yes (0+ / 0-)

          that's exactly what that means.  Although it is a much different thing to contest power with a great power like Russia than to contest it with a negligible power, in Obama's words, like Venezuela.

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