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  •  No kidding. (4+ / 0-)

    I've kvetched on this very issue and been roundly lambasted as a Luddite and dim-wit for not wanting to give money to people who can already damned well afford  to buy low-volume luxury electrics.

    If the real goal is to slow global warming, better to give more subsidies to lower-income families so that they can afford to buy fuel-efficient cars.

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    by dinotrac on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

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    •  "Poor people need gasoline" is idiotic framing (1+ / 0-)
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      All citizens need a pathway to economic participation.  Unsustainable economic activity should not be supported.

      We know that the price of fossil fuels does not include all externalities, and needs to be much higher to promote rational decision making.

      Raising the gasoline tax by a couple of bucks a gallon is a great idea.  Simultaneously, we need a real discussion of what the social effects of that will be and how to mitigate them.

      PatriciaVa's formulation is intended to shut down discussion of necessary change, not promote it.

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      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 02:09:44 PM PDT

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    •  we cannot afford to wait (1+ / 0-)
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      until the poorest can afford the switch.  YEs, the switch begins with people who change cars frequently and eventually moves down market.  Of course, if people actually did the math, that would help.  I just did and found that my 1997 Volvo costs more in gas and repairs than a new electric lease would.  Guess what?  I'm getting an electric because it's cheaper than the cheap gasoline car.  

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      by Mindful Nature on Thu Apr 25, 2013 at 09:16:34 PM PDT

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      •  Leasing don't save money... (0+ / 0-)

        Even if it's a subsidized lease to move slow selling vehicles like the Volt and other electric cars. To keep your transportation costs down, you need to keep a vehicle 'til it's at least 10 years old... Otherwise the depreciation will eat you alive. I run my cars for around 25 cents a mile, because they get at least 40 MPG and I keep them around 20 years. My motorcycles cost 15 to 20 cents a mile to run, as they get 30 to 60 MPG and I've got a couple 30 year old ones with over 100k miles still in use. Try that with an electric car and your first battery pack replacement after around 10 years will cost more than the car is worth.

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