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  •  You probably remembered correctly (6+ / 0-)

    That was what everybody thought up until  we got access to the Russian archives in recent years.

    During the Cold War they weren't really keen on advertising the value of lend lease equipment. They stopped Hitler all by themselves, oh and thanks for the Hershey bars and Spam.

    Turns out several of the top Russian aces scored most of their kills in P-39s.

    The Russians mostly used their own IL-2's for ground attack.

    If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

    by Major Kong on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 05:04:50 AM PDT

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    •  And they had whole combat wings of P-40s,.. (3+ / 0-)
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      Hurricanes, Spitfires, B-25s, A-20s - even torpedo-bomber units with Handley Page Hampdens, for goodness sake!

      'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

      by shortfinals on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 10:14:37 AM PDT

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      •  Plus lots of M4 tanks (5+ / 0-)

        They didn't like the M3 Grant tanks. They called it the "Coffin for 7 brothers".

        They did like the Sherman, surprisingly enough, because of its reliability.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 10:22:05 AM PDT

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        •  They got around 4,000 Shermans, (4+ / 0-)

          a drop in the bucket really. At around 59,000, total T-34 production exceeded total Sherman production. The one Lend-Lease category that really made a difference was trucks. Soviet trucks sucked. Their factories made obsolete American types, AutoCars and Ford Model-AAs. The rapid pursuit of the retreating Germans would just not have been possible without the more modern Studebaker US6.

          The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

          by Azazello on Fri Apr 26, 2013 at 11:18:55 AM PDT

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        •  Did the Russians get the Lincoln V-8? (1+ / 0-)
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          Cause the Aircraft radial was notorious for fouling plugs. Shermans spent more time at low rpm and idle, the radial in a plane spent more time at higher rpm, its tolerances were "loose" cause the radial operated at higher rpm and the parts expanded with heat.

          Great book written by a guy in the 3rd heavy armored Div ... mentions that he spent too much time waiting for new plugs, cleaning old ones.

          & the UK Firefly was interesting, a Sherman Chassis with a UK made open turret with a Naval 12 pounder, an 88mm, could hole just about any German tank.

          The Pershing was a much better tank, Patton supported production of the Sherman prior to Normandy, the Pershing design was available at the time. Very bad coice.

          2 Super Pershings were built, long barrel Hi velocity gun, given to the 3rd Armored Div. Tested on a Panzer6 found abandoned, it holed the Pnzr, from front to rear, into the ground behind the Pnzr.

          About 200 Jumbo Shermans were built with heavy frontal armor and the much better 76mm hi velocity gun.

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 10:28:23 AM PDT

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          •  Excuse me....the Sherman Firefly, had a ... (1+ / 0-)
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            .....closed turret with an Ordnance Quick-Firing 17-pounder (76.2 mm = 3 inch). It was staggeringly effective, and could take on most Axis tanks, provided it got in the first shot (the Sherman was no match for them in armour thickness). It could penetrate more armor than the 8.8 cm KwK 36 fitted to a Tiger tank!

            The 17 pounder was also fitted to tank destroyers and self-propeller guns.

            'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

            by shortfinals on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 09:09:00 PM PDT

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            •  Whoops. See, thats what I get for reading (1+ / 0-)
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              something years ago and relying on that. The Firefly was quite effective from what I've read. When I managed a Hobby shop, we hosted a armor modeling club, NJ  Armor Modeling and Preservation Society, AMPS. Great guys with a huge pool of knowledge, about half Vets.

              I had to look it up, Maybe I was confusing the open topped Avenger with the Firefly?

              Sign, thanks.

              .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 08:33:04 AM PDT

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        •  Sherman was nick named the Ronson (1+ / 0-)
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          like the lighter, one flick and it lite up.

          Shermans advantage was its hi speed and reliable multi channel radio. Radial engines fouled plugs, Lincon V-8s were much better. 75mm low velocity gun was useless vs German front glacisis, even on a Pnzr 4.

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 10:31:44 AM PDT

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