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  •  They aren't in our legislatures at this point (0+ / 0-)

    They're following a different strategy. But it isn't an either/or thing. We should be concerned about both Islamic Supremacists and Christian Dominionists -- any group that denies the authority of our Constitution and refuses to accept the idea of a pluralist society. Responding to the argument "There are some people with a very scary agenda that we should be concerned about" with "Oh, yeah? Well, there are some other people with a very scary agenda that we should be concerned about" -- what's the point?  Surely reality-based people want to be informed about both.

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    by Noisy Democrat on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 11:37:21 AM PDT

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    •  I'm reality based (11+ / 0-)

      and haven't seen any Islamic Supremacists doing damage in our country via our political system.  Perhaps you are one of the lucky groups -- ok, the only lucky group -- that hasn't had an assault on privacy and other freedoms because of effing Xian nuts in positions of power.

      You can be scared of Sharia Law and scary Islamic Fundamentalists infiltrating our country via Mexico if you want.  I'm more concerned about Xian crap controlling my life and others because it is actually real.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 11:41:56 AM PDT

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      •  False choice (0+ / 0-)

        It isn't either/or. Islamic Supremacists murdered some of our fellow citizens just two weeks ago, and were planning to kill more. I think it's very reasonable to learn more about what's going on on that front, and to reject any premature conclusion that the attack was merely the work of a couple of confused young men.

        At the same time, I'm also scared of Fundamentalists hijacking our government. I guess I have plenty of adrenalin to go around. :)

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        by Noisy Democrat on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 04:47:39 PM PDT

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        •  I'd say you (1+ / 0-)
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          have plenty of 'fear' or paranoia to go around. What was Tim Mac Vey except a  fanatical,nationalist, bigot who snapped. It Pretty simplistic to blame it on one religion or a region. You have entirely overlooked the history/ back story of the ME countries and the West's so called civilized world.. The Christian Inquisition or even the Crusades makes your bigoted fear and loathing of the Muslim religion obvious. Our culture here in the US religious and secular is violent and uses religious prejudice and nationalism to terrorize for purely geopolitical dominance. Misplaced fear and hatred only fuels the fanatics and makes the circle continue until people snap, individually and collectively.      

           It is not just a question of Muslims are fanatical jhadist's. Terrorist acts are committed by humans globally both historically and now. It is not a question of religion or even nationalism it's the dark violent side of humanity and believe me the US really knows how to terrorize they have it down.
           From Juan Cole ...

          Terrorism and the other Religions
          http://www.juancole.com/...

          Contrary to what is alleged by bigots like Bill Maher, Muslims are not more violent than people of other religions. Murder rates in most of the Muslim world are very low compared to the United States.

          As for political violence, people of Christian heritage in the twentieth century polished off tens of millions of people in the two world wars and colonial repression. This massive carnage did not occur because European Christians are worse than or different from other human beings, but because they were the first to industrialize war and pursue a national model. Sometimes it is argued that they did not act in the name of religion but of nationalism. But, really, how naive. Religion and nationalism are closely intertwined. The British monarch is the head of the Church of England, and that still meant something in the first half of the twentieth century, at least. The Swedish church is a national church. Spain? Was it really unconnected to Catholicism? Did the Church and Francisco Franco’s feelings toward it play no role in the Civil War? And what’s sauce for the goose: much Muslim violence is driven by forms of modern nationalism, too.....

          It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll I mentioned above. Human beings are human beings and the species is too young and too interconnected to have differentiated much from group to group. People resort to violence out of ambition or grievance, and the more powerful they are, the more violence they seem to commit. The good news is that the number of wars is declining over time, and World War II, the biggest charnel house in history, hasn’t been repeated.

          •  That's all beside the point (0+ / 0-)

            Arguing about the Crusades or the 2nd World War -- that's all a big distraction. In this context, I don't actually care whether Christians are nicer than Muslims. Bottom line: Our fellow citizens were killed by Islamic Supremacists, here in Boston. We have a duty to our fellow citizens -- those who died or were injured, and all our fellow citizens, because we all rely on each other to defend this nation -- not to take that lightly. If it turns out that the two brothers were just nuts who snapped, fine. But we need to find out what was going on and we need to think about the ideology that encouraged those brothers to kill people.

            To do anything different would be the same as arguing that we shouldn't protest against Trayvon Martin's killing because after all, George Zimmerman may've been a lone nut who just snapped. We and our fellow citizens deserve better than that.

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            by Noisy Democrat on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 10:11:09 PM PDT

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