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    Private sector workers pay for public sector retirements.

    If public workers get good retirements, it is only at the expense of private worker salaries / retirements.

    The only fair way to do it is to keep public and private benefits roughly similar.

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    by Sparhawk on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 07:43:45 PM PDT

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    •  And do it by raising benefits for private (7+ / 0-)

      employees, not by cutting benefits to public employees.  

      The only fair way to do it is to keep public and private benefits roughly similar.  
      "Misery loves company" but there's no reason, other than the pleasure of the 1%, for everyone to be miserable.  

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      by Calamity Jean on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 08:56:02 PM PDT

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      •  Impossible (0+ / 0-)

        In California, for example, if the average private worker made what the average public worker did it would consume far more than the entire state GDP!

        Run the numbers yourself.

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        by Sparhawk on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 09:28:04 PM PDT

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    •  Right on schedule, eh? (6+ / 0-)

      I paid into that pension for 27+ years.

      I also paid state and federal taxes.

      I contributed 30 quarters to Social Security, and will never see any of it. I don't bellyache about that. If you're getting Social Security, Sparhawk, you can thank me in advance. You're welcome to it.

      I just wish I could expose you to a short time in my old job with the City of Chicago. You probably wouldn't last 27 years.

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      by JeffW on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 09:00:34 PM PDT

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    •  Bullshit. (5+ / 0-)
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      The only fair way to do it is to demand that the private come UP to the public, not demand that the public go down to the least common denominator.
      You don't like the fact that union members earn more than you?  Form your OWN union!  Start blaming the real culprit for your low wage, your own boss!

    •  Its important for us to distinguish between federa (0+ / 0-)

      employees and state and local employees.  States and municipalities are nothing but currency USERS like the rest of us, in that they need to borrow or collect taxes on every dollar they spend.  And because of this, I absolutely agree that in the case of state and local workers, private sector workers are literally paying their wages and pensions.  However, this is not at all the case for federal employees.  The Federal Govt is the currency ISSUER and as such our taxes have nothing at all to do with the Govt's ability to create and spend money (FYI, the Govt also doesn't borrow money, but that is a long digression), and so its completely different for Federal employee wages and retirements.  Thats why I think all of us progressives should be in favor of funding Govt workers retirements at all levels through the Federal budget.  This would allow for much lower state and local taxes.....and retirement money would be in much less danger during a downturn like we are seeing now.

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      by Auburn Parks on Sun Apr 28, 2013 at 05:22:07 AM PDT

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