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  •  Here is something worth thinking about. (2+ / 0-)
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    Eric Stratton, IT Professional

    In the first 10 years, the bill would give green cards to approximately 33 million foreign nationals. The current U.S. workforce is only 155 million. How much unemployment will that produce and who will end up unemployed?

    From 2000 to 2010 the U.S. received 6.9 million working-age immigrants and the number of immigrants employed increased by 4.5 million. During that period the number of working-age native-born workers increased by 13.5 million, yet the number who were employed actually decreased by 1.1 million.

    From 2000 to 2010 the share of working-age natives who were employed declined from 76% to 69%. For those with less than a high school education, many members of minority groups, it declined from an already abysmal 52% to 41%. The business community is systematically replacing American workers with cheaper, more pliable immigrants.

    •  Same argument used against all immigrants and (3+ / 0-)
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      TacoPie, FG, a2nite

      blacks moving north for jobs. They will become citizens and the only thing some have a problem with now, is the color of those new immigrants. They will be American workers.

      •  I don't oppose the immigration bill... (2+ / 0-)
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        TacoPie, IT Professional

        and tend to think the infusion of new immigrants will be an net economic gain for the country. But I couldn't disagree with this more...

        ...the only thing some have a problem with now, is the color of those new immigrants.
        You're projecting and I think that's a pretty ugly thing to accuse IowaPopulist of. There are plenty of folks in Europe who aren't happy with their immigrant populations and racism has nothing to do with it. There it's a clash between a largely secular society and a largely conservative muslim immigrant population.

        I don't care how you feel about that or any other issue, honestly. But you don't need to be so judgemental. IP's argument isn't unreasonable nor is it racist.

        You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

        by Eric Stratton on Sat Apr 27, 2013 at 12:03:35 PM PDT

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      •  No group has been more severely impacted (3+ / 0-)
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        Sinan, a2nite, IT Professional

        by high immigration rates than black Americans, and it started before the numbers I present. George Borjas, a prominent labor economist at Harvard, noted that for black men with less than a high school education, the employment rate fell from 89% to 56% between 1960 and 2000, and he found that 40% of that increase in unemployment was the result of immigration.

        Black Americans were once making significant progress, even in the face of institutionalized racism. With the gradual increase in immigration quotas, starting around 1970, employers have replaced Americans with immigrants. In the South, black factory and agricultural workers have been systematically replaced with immigrants. The new workers are also minority, so employers have gotten away with it.

        Employers will game the system to cut wages, and also to express racist attitudes toward black Americans in this new, socially and legally acceptable way.

        •  Yes, this bill is devastating (1+ / 0-)
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          to black U.S. citizens.

          The latest thing I had not realized before is that the rule that Obamacare is not required to be provided for the recipients of this bill means employers can openly advertise that only those with this conditional work status need apply.

          There would be nothing an American citizen could do since being a U.S. citizen  is not a  protected class.  An employer could not discriminate against race, sex, age or disability is advertising, but could openly discriminate against citizens.

    •  All of these people are already there and are (0+ / 0-)

      already employed. So I don't see your point.

      •  We currently give 1.1 million green cards a year (2+ / 0-)
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        IT Professional, a2nite

        Under the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, that number would go to approximately 2 million a year, not including those who would receive the amnesty. Only a third of the 33 million green cards will go to illegal immigrants who will be amnestied.

        •  Again, these people are already here and working (0+ / 0-)

          illegally. Giving them green cards will make them work legally. And we are not giving 1.5 million green cards per year. Where did you get this number?

          •  They are be working, but they (1+ / 0-)
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            are being exploited by their employers.  Once they can get better jobs, why would they stay in their current exploited situation?  They would join the already tight job market, with an advantage over citizens.  They don't have to be offered healthcare.

            If they decided they liked their current job and wanted better pay or working conditions, the unscrupulous employers would just fire them and hire from the next wave of undocumented visa over-stayers.

            •  I don't understand your point. If they have green (0+ / 0-)

              cards, they will be subject to all labor and other laws just like everyone else. They will have no advantage over anyone. What you're saying applies more to their current situation.

    •  This bill is just going to create a slave labor (2+ / 0-)
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      IowaPopulist, IT Professional

      force in America as well as bring down the pay for skilled labor by letting in more H1B type folks.  That's the last thing we need here.  More unemployment for citizens and lower pay ...

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