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  •  Then why is the only thing that has helped (2+ / 0-)
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    us understand how the universe works based on logic?  (I speak of SCIENCE! <== read in the voice from that Thomas Dolby song)

    "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

    by dackmont on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 09:46:32 AM PDT

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    •  As much as I love that song, (1+ / 0-)
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      we are humans and what we use to understand anything is still limited by ourselves.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 03:21:30 PM PDT

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      •  True, but then how useful is religion? (2+ / 0-)
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        If we're gonna take science down a peg (which is reasonable, but tends to be overdone by the faith ~ science false equivalence advocates), then we need to do the same for religion, which doesn't have any irrefutable evidence for having ever helped us understand the universe.  I strongly refute "God of the gaps" thinking.

        But I think we'd agree that religious experience can show us a lot about ourselves, as can (even moreso) science, and as can basic sympathy and self-understanding (which can be but isn't necessarily something that happens in a religious context).  Alexander Pope had a good point when he wrote "the proper study of mankind is man".

        "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

        by dackmont on Tue Apr 30, 2013 at 05:10:39 PM PDT

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