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    and a massive public transportation infrastructure that is based on renewable energy would do it.

    The thing is, if we don't do it then our grandchildren will suffer and die within a global collapse of civilization.

    •  We'll need more than renewables to save us (2+ / 0-)
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      Deward Hastings, Brooklyn Jim

      Let's also appreciate that we need a paradigm shift in our grasp of the "economy." This is more than policy, of course. That means a rapid transition away from the growth nonsense that perceives man-made currencies as a metric to assess the quality of the economy. That means shifting away from consumerism: smaller, denser metro areas that use less land area; resuable and recyclable consumerism; traveling shorter distances; eating locally; utilizing less water from unsustainable sources like aquifers.

      The fact of it being a political problem is hardly the lone factor. It's largely societal and economic, which, for all intents and purposes, drive policy for the most part. Getting even 60% of society to agree that global warming is a.) happening, b.) man-made, and c.) a mostly negative feedback to our civilization is one that has taken heaven and earth to arrange despite all evidence in support. I won't fathom all day the idea of this being "impossible" or "certain" that we'll "change", but realistically speaking, I'd just base our forecast on the current situation. The appreciation of a long-term scale that climate change occurs within is not a strong-suit of humanity. We're going to get intermittent "hottest year ever" reports and circumstantial evidence like droughts, hurricanes, flooding, and (maybe within a decade) significant famine or dislocation of people. But I know too many humans have far too short of a memory. The financial crisis of 2007-2009 being one recent instance. Global warming? Feh. I'm even less optimistic. Not to be a downer. It just is what it is.

      "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

      by rovertheoctopus on Wed May 01, 2013 at 07:52:32 AM PDT

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    •  easy to say (0+ / 0-)

      impossible to do.

      We do not have the capability to replace the entire fleet with not-even-designed-yet "electric powered vehicles", and we do not have the capability to provide the necessary energy from "renewable" sources.  India can barely keep the lights on as it is . . . where are they going to get the power to run electric cars and trucks?  Or the energy and resources to build them?  And Americans . . . give up the SUV for an electric golf cart?  Not likely . . .

      Even the fastest possible build-out of nuclear capacity would have a hard time covering both the needed growth and replacement of existing coal/gas/oil fired power plants . . . and we know how likely that is.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:09:40 AM PDT

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    •  Suburban car centric culture (0+ / 0-)

      Big box stores, etc. Its a heavy lift.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed May 01, 2013 at 08:50:28 AM PDT

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