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  •  I think it is partly because the fossil fuel (11+ / 0-)

    industry is just too powerful a lobby. Also, a significant part of the population was convinced it was a hoax or, as during the 1980's, that environmentalism cost jobs.

    We need to find a way to die it to job creation and a way to change public opinion

    As a member of Courtesy Kos, I am dedicated to civility and respect for all kossacks, regardless of their opinions, affiliations, or cliques.

    by joedemocrat on Sun May 05, 2013 at 05:18:01 PM PDT

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    •  So, how do we convince Obama this is an economic (2+ / 0-)
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      issue, not just an "environmental" nicety: that to continue to give Big Oil what it wants (in exchange for their "support" for Dems, which is delusional anyway) courts economic disaster, not the other way around? It seems that President Obama has convinced himself that a "diversified" approach that includes unlimited development of all fossil fuels makes economic sense and will create jobs, when exactly the opposite is true. How can we do a better job of getting him to understand this?

      It is soooooo frustrating that we are at this critical moment of truth with a Democratic president at the helm, who professes concern for environmental responsibility, yet seems determined to believe that being an "adult" means acting like a Republican. When so much is at stake!!!

      Somehow ... ideas?

      •  And KeystoneXL *DOES* matter, not only for the (5+ / 0-)

        huge extra dose of carbon that it will put into the atmosphere, and not only for the potential for environmental catastrophe associated with pipeline breaches, but also for the signal that it sends to the world about the resolve of the United States of America to take Climate Change seriously.

        The implications of sending the wrong message to the world are incalculable, but will certainly be enormously negative.

        Again, somehow, we have to make President Obama understand that THIS is a huge part of his legacy. That if he approves Keystone XL, then his reputation will be severely tarnished, for whatever time remains for a functioning civilization on this planet.

        •  absolutely the xl pipeline does matter! (0+ / 0-)

          but the pipeline is there to deliver energy for many things including livestock production and animal feed.  You reduce the market and the pipeline is irrelevant.  But we're needing to reduce the short lived climate pollutants as an emergency and livestock production is the greatest contributor to the short lived climate forcers.

          Macca's Meatless Monday

          by VL Baker on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:34:24 AM PDT

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    •  the fossil fuel industry doesn't tell me what to (1+ / 0-)
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      do. I make my own choices to conserve.

      Sometimes environmentalism does cost jobs. We need to re employ those who have lost jobs at a similar pay and benefit rate forever if need be. That's where we mess up. We abandon miners and loggers because the chew and drive pickups.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Sun May 05, 2013 at 07:57:51 PM PDT

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