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  •  Republicans? Please... (6+ / 0-)

    American Catholic (or any sect) RWers will heed the Pope in this respect exactly as much as they have heeded his and previous Popes' stance on war, capital punishment, healthcare access, and social justice in general. They will respectfully disagree.

    I have more hope for other Catholic-majority nations, but in the US? Dream on.

    Use every man after his desert, and who should 'scape whipping?

    by UncleDavid on Wed May 01, 2013 at 11:51:09 AM PDT

    •  It may not affect Catholic RWers, but... (5+ / 0-)

      ... it may encourage and inspire non-RW catholics (i.e., most of them) to work for (or at least support) a greater degree of social and economic justice.

    •  Just like a lot of Catholics disagree with Church (2+ / 0-)
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      teaching on birth control and even abortion.  Bishops or members of the "Clan of the Red Beanie," as Charlie Pierce calls them,  can rant all they want about denying communion to pro-choice politicians or ones who support Obamacare's birth control requirement, but it's theological bullshit even within Catholicism itself because of the doctrine of an "informed conscience"--namely, that, except on very core components of faith, any Catholic, after a good-faith attempt to inform him- or herself about an issue, can decide to disagree with Church teaching if that is the proper thing to do according to his or her conscience.   The power-hungry among the hierarchy (I.e., most of them) have long tried  to keep that fact from being widely publicized; but most educated Catholics are aware of it.

               The problem is that what's good for the progressive goose is also good for the reactionary gander.  If the progressive Catholic doesn't have to follow the inane birth-control encyclical, the reactionary Catholic (even the reactionary bishop or cardinal) doesn't have to go along with "Pacem in Terris" or "Rerum Novarum." Many contemporary believers may have taken the tendency of "cafeteria Catholicism" to absurd extremes, but they didn't invent the phenomena. "Cafeteria Catholicism" is actually a redundancy.

            It seems to me that the Church's teachings on social justice, war-and-peace, capital punishment, etc. are directly derivable from Jesus' teachings in the Gospels and that no religion that doesn't include them doesn't deserve to call itself "Christian." On the other hand,  where the hell in the Gospels the Church gets it teachings on birth control and abortion is beyond me. Yet a Catholic in good standing may believe in the latter while ignoring the former.  That right there is undoubtedly the central reason I left the Church and began my long evolution to atheism.  

      "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

      by Oliver St John Gogarty on Wed May 01, 2013 at 04:15:56 PM PDT

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        Bishops or members of the "Clan of the Red Beanie," as Charlie Pierce calls them...
        For informational purposes:

        "Red beanie" indicates an Archbishop who is a Cardinal. There are virtually no Cardinals who haven't been elevated to Archbishop first. An archbishop, in the RCC church, is generally a bishop in charge of a large (population-wise) diocese; a bishop is generally in charge of a smaller diocese.

        Bishops wear purple "beanies" (skullcaps).

        "Treat others as you would like them to treat you." -St. Luke 6: 31 (NEB) Christians are given a tough assignment here: Love the people you don't even like...

        by paz3 on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:11:15 PM PDT

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