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  •  In the interest of completeness (2+ / 0-)
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    Poll: 29% Think Armed Rebellion Might Soon Be Necessary
    The split making up that 29% is:

    Republican: 44%
    Independent: 27%
    Democrat: 18%

    So, the Republican numbers are even worse than the 29% headline, but 1 in 6 Democrats also poll that way and 1 in 4 independents. If you throw in the "unsure" numbers it rises to 1 in 4 and 1 in 3, respectively.

    Remember that the support for certain positions here at Kos is not reflected by the population at large.

    •  very true (1+ / 0-)
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      Shamash

      and thanks for your overall reasonableness on this topic even when we disagree. ;-)

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu May 02, 2013 at 05:05:35 AM PDT

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    •  The difference is (3+ / 0-)
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      Some on the left think armed rebellion may be necessary to end the bullshit on Wall Street.

      Ive come across a few gun nuts recently who believe that armed rebellion is coming.  One was a total prepper ala Mrs Lanza in Newtown who believed the world economy will collapse and all the poor people in the cities will invade the towns looking for food and money to plunder.  Of course he also believed aliens walk among us so I somewhat question his sanity.  

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Thu May 02, 2013 at 05:39:22 AM PDT

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      •  Seems to me rural folks would be far more (2+ / 0-)
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        capable of feeding themselves than city folks would.  If the economy collapses, no one is going to pick crops, and even if they did, no one is going to transport them to market, and even if they did no one would be there to stock the supermarket shelves, and even if they did very few people would be able to afford to buy the food.

        Anyone with a plot of land and the savvy to grow food and save seeds would be golden.

        But paranoids with guns have to have some enemy or other (makes no difference who or what) and something to worry about.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Thu May 02, 2013 at 05:56:11 AM PDT

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    •  In fairness to the (4+ / 0-)
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      people on the left who think it might be necessary, please remember the Chinese saying:

      "There is always a way, when the rich get too rich and the poor get to poor."

      The rich are signalling us that they do not care if we die from lack of food, health care, clean air, water, etc.  

      This is an existential threat.  They are blocking every means to politically address this, from destroying labor unions to the political process.

      What's left?  Better to die on your feet than live on your knees, some think, and what's there to lose, when every single other means of affecting change is eliminated.  It's horrible, it's to be avoided at every cost, but it's not a fight we are starting.

      Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

      by KibbutzAmiad on Thu May 02, 2013 at 05:47:29 AM PDT

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    •  These numbers should scare the shit (2+ / 0-)
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      out of any thinking, sentient being (or at least those of us who preach and practice non-violence).

      Because they speak of two things:

      1) the social contract is breaking down and large numbers of people now see violence as an acceptable way to resolve political differences

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      2) within the 29% who think a violent revolution may be necessary, you just know there have to be one or two John Brown types who will conduct their own Harper's Ferry ops in the interests of hastening said armed revolution.

      These 29% are registered voters, mind you, people already enfranchised within our current political system.

      •  Honey - I am old and I have heard this talk (0+ / 0-)

        my whole entire life.  From all kinds of people.....in the north, the south, the west, and even in good ol' California.  it's nothing new.  And 1/4 of our population is just plain stupid.  It has always been thus.

        So, I don't put a whole lotta stock in this "poll", or any of the fear-mongering diaries here and stories elsewhere pointing out how "scary" it all is.  

        Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

        by PsychoSavannah on Thu May 02, 2013 at 11:09:15 AM PDT

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        •  It's not the 'talk' that has me scared; it's the (0+ / 0-)

          high percentage of one party's voters that has me worried.

          During one of our weekly anti-war vigils in Mar VistaPalms back in 2006, we had a pickup truck flying a Confederate flag and full of white teen-age lumpenproletariat deliberately take a corner to fast going up onto the curb and nearly hitting one of our 'old' vigilers (a lady well into her 80s) before barelling away in a cloud of smoke and loud screech of tires. The LAPD were called and said they could do nothing, other than send a patrol car by every so often, since we didn't ge the license plate.

          So I'm not going to dismiss it as mere 'talk'. There is a sub-secction of this population who now appear prepared to use violence to advance their political aims. And these poll results confirm my own experiences.

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