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  •  They didn't mistakenly load a live round. (0+ / 0-)

    A previous live round was fired and fizzled, leaving the lead bullet still in the middle of the barrel.

    A later blank round was used, which finished the job of pushing that earlier bullet out of the barrel.

    Jackass? Who looks like the fool now?

    •  Brandon Lee? (0+ / 0-)
      Jackass? Who looks like the fool now?
    •  I'd expect this idiocy from a 5 year old. (0+ / 0-)

      Money doesn't talk it swears.

      by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 07:00:11 AM PDT

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      •  so, you were wrong but Jay is the idiot......hmm.. (0+ / 0-)

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:10:13 AM PDT

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        •  Wrong about what? (0+ / 0-)

          No one even knows what you loons are arguing at this point.

          When gun owners are prosecuted for not coming to the rescue, I'll listen to your inane shit. Being a coward is not a virtue, and gun nuts are nothing but fucking cowards who talk shit and run away when guns are drawn.

          The fact no teachers shot these gunmen proves without a doubt that your "solution" is horseshit. Guns are perfectly legal here in Oregon, so you explain to us why your way didn't work and NEVER works.

          Money doesn't talk it swears.

          by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:15:28 AM PDT

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          •  so I am a loon and a coward eh? (0+ / 0-)

            you do know the Clackamas mall shooting was stopped by a ccw citizen as was a recent stabbing attack in a Utah grocery store and many others through the years....

            Somehow y'all seem to think that if a 100 rounds aren't discharged there's no defense...Perfect defense ends with not a single shot fired, as it did in the one instance I had to pull my pistol.....

            You are right in that I carry daily though, train regularly, make my own ammunition and am quite capable of pulling the trigger if needed....luckily the great majority of defensive use just requires letting the BG know you will fight back...They want easy targets, show alertness and you wipe out half, situational awareness takes another quarter, pulling the pistol the last 24 and luckily for everyone, only about 1-100 or less requires the defender to actually fire their gun......Most crooks go look for an easier target before that point.

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:27:10 AM PDT

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            •  Wow, the shooting was stopped? (0+ / 0-)

              Someone  inform the dead! Again, no proof of this just assinine lone ranger bullshit you heard on Lars Larsen.  The dude you're talking about was too afraid to pull his weapon. He hid behind a pole.

              Under your plan, every person in the mall with a firearm should be in prison right now for derelict of duty. But that will never happen because you don't want to be held liable for your cowardess.

              A fucking stabbing? Stabbings are always stopped because people don't flee from a knife man moron. People attack knife welders because you can't knife people from 100 yards away.

              How many times have you stopped a mass murderer? You would simply run the fuck away at the first sign of danger. Again, if you are held liable for not protecting the citizenry, then I'll go for your idiotic plan.

              You are simply another deranged tool who believes he will save the world when the shit goes down when we all know you'll just run the fuck away.

              I've never been attacked and j don't carry a gun. I guess that's proof that not carrying a gun scares off psychopaths with guns by your logic.

              Money doesn't talk it swears.

              by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:42:28 AM PDT

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            •  You know what, I apologize. (0+ / 0-)

              I shouldn't get so irate about this stuff. It's not your opinion on guns that annoys me, it's that you don't apply this logic to any other inanimate object or any other aspect in life.

              I truly do not believe that you believe what you're saying and that's what infuriates me. But whatever. Believe what you want. If you were arguing that the right to self defense is an inalienable right and that all human beings should have the same right to own any weapon, I'd respect that. But you aren't.

              Why can't Iran have nukes, given your argument?

              Money doesn't talk it swears.

              by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:48:27 AM PDT

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              •  well there is a slight difference between (0+ / 0-)

                a handgun and a nuke to start...however, imo it's none of our business whether Iran develops nuclear weapons or not and certainly not our place to intervene militarily...

                Everyone does have the basic right of self defense and the sixgun is the great equalizer....the old saw "God made man, Sam Colt made him equal"  is quite true...Why you think I don't think that all are equal and entitled to the same rights of self defense that I am, I'm not sure.... I have never ever made such a claim.  

                In fact, I wish more women and minorities would exercise their rights and here we do have many female (including the absolute scariest shot with a lever gun I've ever seen, fast as hell and she never missed) and Hispanic shooters,

                My body is broken and I can not physically fight my way out of a situation like I used to be able to....however my little J frame S&W tends to make your basic idiot think twice about actually attacking.

                Really not sure why you don't believe what I am saying as I haven't said anything unusual or controversial, I had to take a shot at a 'yote just the other night trying to get my Bantam Rooster, ol Wiley was lucky that my spring loadout of snakeshot followed by hollows was loaded and he got the snake load...scared the hell out of him but couldn't hurt him at the 20yd range. I usually use a heavy bullet subsonic in a Marlin Lever .22 for coyote control on my property in the inner yard....I don't hunt them until they hunt mine, seems like a fair compromise to me....

                I had to move my first Gila Monster of the year towards the bottom of the property, the chicken eggs attract Gilas like flies to horse poop but they are very easy to pick up and move,

                 luckily with the dogs, cats and chickens, the rattlers stay away for the most part...... in 15+ years here I have only had to kill 3 because they just wouldn't stay out from under the house....if they stay out back I leave them alone, they are needed predators, without we would be infested with packrats but I can't allow them to take up residence under my house...that's for King or Bull snakes only....

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:18:31 AM PDT

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                •  Gun laws target minorities. (1+ / 0-)
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                  There's a reason the founding fathers didn't allow slaves to have guns.

                  This is why I'll always be incredibly suspicious of folks who claim to believe  in the fundamental right to bear arms. The second the Black Panthers started carrying non concealed weapons, Ronald Reagan outlawed it.

                  I do not trust the motivation of groups like the NRA. Never have I seen them come to the defense of anyone but white conservatives.

                  Money doesn't talk it swears.

                  by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:33:28 AM PDT

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                  •  completely agree though that true statement will (0+ / 0-)

                    get you a ton of shit here...I know as I have made it enough.....

                    Current controllers don't like to hear the truth of the gun control movements history......

                    Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                    I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                    Emiliano Zapata

                    by buddabelly on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:51:04 AM PDT

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            •  Why can't felons have guns? (0+ / 0-)

              What can't the mentally insane? If the Constitution places no limits on the right to bear arms, why do I keep hearing about how we need to keep guns out of the hands of sad people?

              I'm more inclined to accept the argument that there should be no limits, but all I ever hear from the gun crowd is how these limits are fine as long as they're placed on someone else.

              Ever heard of the Mulford Act? That's the crux of why I don't believe aword you folks say.

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              by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:52:40 AM PDT

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              •  Of course I have heard of the Mulford act, I have (1+ / 0-)
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                mentioned it here many times showing how many gun control initiatives were intended to disarm minorities only while allowing free white men to "keep and bear"  Plus I love pointing out to my righty buddies that their hero St. Ronnie was the biggest gungrabber of all time......

                As to felons, it's just another excuse to pull the guns from minorities set up in the 68 GCA right after the BPP protest on the Calif. Statehouse steps and the passage of the Mulford act...

                However with rights come responsibilities.....I think a person who has proved through their actions that they resort to violence to achieve goals could be constitutionally restricted but only for actual violent crime....

                The creeping spread of the felony makes a lot of people who would be no danger prohibited and though there is a Federal process for rights renewal, Congress refuses to fund it so practically, there is no way to get a problem corrected even though the law allows, even demands it.....

                As to the mentally ill, that is a real issue with legitimate points on both sides of the equation, as the law is written now a person must be either involuntarily committed for more than a 48hr op or be adjudicated "mentally defective"  

                One thing about the recent gun control bills I was against is the squishy way they handled mentally ill people and where the hell is the line drawn....No I don't want a paranoid schizophrenic like my Uncle to be carrying daily but he has been adjudicated and committed....The recent NY case where a cat had his permit and guns pulled for having been prescribed an anti anxiety drug in the past is flat ridiculous....The balance is somewhere in the middle and we can only restrict imo if we can develop some type of non arbitrary bright line that when crossed could pull gun rights

                In other words, yes all rights have limitations but they need to be clear, unambiguous limits that restrict the right as little as is possible. Not stuff like our ridiculous No Fly/Terrorist watchlist being used to deny without due process....

                Basically anything that restricts or removes a right without direct due process should not happen imo.

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:40:35 AM PDT

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                •  I respect this logic. (1+ / 0-)
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                  And apologize for conflating your position with the other poster.

                  I find it a tad difficult to believe that conservatives don't trust the government on gun rights but do trust the government to decide whether you're mentally competent. Seems to me it would just be easier for the government to declare a person mentally unfit to have a gun than to take your gun away.

                  I used to argue your position on guns with conservatives but soon realized they're mostly just liars who have no problem with the government denying others rights on a host of issues. They're the same people who insist Trayvon Martin deserved to be shot to death because, well I don't actually grasp why...

                  Money doesn't talk it swears.

                  by Coss on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:49:47 AM PDT

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