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  •  Stupid fucking anarchists. (5+ / 0-)

    Good thing they weren't around during the Civil Rights movement, or at least stayed the hell away.

    "False advertising" is redundant.

    by Troubadour on Thu May 02, 2013 at 12:02:11 AM PDT

    •  Anarchists (real ones) (8+ / 0-)

      marched in Portland with nary a problem. No violence reported. I was there.

      For every so-called "anarchist" kid (if that is really what they are and not just kids with angst who like the sound of the word) who wants to stand up to police violence (remember, the police have the real weapons, not the kids) there are many, many times more anarchists who peacefully participate.

      Be careful with that broad brush. You'll get paint everywhere, on everyone. And please don't do what they did in Chicago, when they rounded up eight innocent people with an anarchist labor movement history and framed them for murder and hanged them just because they were anarchists.

      If you want to point fingers of blame, take a good hard look at the history of police murder and violence in the suppression of protesters.

      If it weren't for anarchists, there would not be an International Worker's Day.

      By the way, did you participate today? No?

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Thu May 02, 2013 at 01:28:43 AM PDT

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      •  But why does that movement attract (9+ / 0-)

        so many idiots?  You don't see assholes like that trying to co-opt, say, the labor movement.  Nope - the idiots all seem to show up with their Guy Fawkes masks and/or black bandanas, fucking up everybody trying to do something and considering themselves heroes for it.  They take no responsibility, ever.  If they throw a bottle at a cop and the cop goes berserk and seriously hurts innocent people, they love it.  

        "False advertising" is redundant.

        by Troubadour on Thu May 02, 2013 at 02:09:54 AM PDT

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        •  Agree! (4+ / 0-)
          a group of 100 to 200 protesters
          They were NOT PROTESTERS.  They had no message.  They were of two sorts--rowdy partiers and vandals.  

          Not anachists.  Not protesters.  They were just out to do damage.

          The Seattle police did a good job.  They mainly herded the rowdy group with bike cops wearing bike helmets, short sleeved shirts and short riding pants, and using their bikes as barricades to get the troublemakers out of the downtown streets.

          Yes to protesting a true message in a peaceful way.  That earns support from the public.  No to rowdy partiers (girls dancing to music only they could hear) and masked window smashers.

          •  Several things (0+ / 0-)

            You're assuming all two hundred (if that number is accurate) were breaking windows. I don't see support of that. Likely there was a small group among them who broke windows.

            Second, there is a bit of controversy surrounding the requirement to ask permission to exercise 1st amendment rights of free speech and assembly. Not obtaining permission is for some a matter of principle.

            Third, police often use tactics that incite resistance and anger among some protesters. Police are not always the nice little angels that some people cling to believing. Often their tactics are the reason for the backlash.  I have first hand experience with this. One cop pushed my partner to the mud when she asked him a question. She's from Iowa, and tends to trust cops since Iowa police tend to be placid and peaceful. She now takes the side of the kids, since she experienced how it feels to be poked and jabbed and pushed by police when peacefully standing in the street.

            Look at these photos from Seattle yesterday and notice who is taking violent actions against whom. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/....

            This has to be seen from both sides. Most of these people were probably just caught up in the melee.

            And dancing in the street is a crime? I was in one protest where everyone started dancing at one point. It's a form of protest, and is actually really fun. You don't know these people. You don't understand them. But there is more to the story and to their perspective than meets the eye.

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Thu May 02, 2013 at 11:41:18 AM PDT

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        •  Noam Chomsky is an idiot? (0+ / 0-)

          Howard Zinn? David Graeber? Gandhi?

          I think I can ignore you after that comment.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:12:57 AM PDT

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      •  Whilst I continue my disgust and disdain (0+ / 0-)

        regarding these nitwits who do nothing to further the cause of labor I'll try to honor your request and not...

        "please don't do what they did in Chicago, when they rounded up eight innocent people with an anarchist labor movement history and framed them for murder and hanged them just because they were anarchists."

        Though I rarely find that happening as the result of my actions.

        Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

        by Morgan Sandlin on Thu May 02, 2013 at 04:11:22 AM PDT

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        •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

          There is modern day persecution of anarchists for their beliefs.

          People have been hauled into grand juries and sent to jail for no more than having anarchist literature in their possession.

          And the average drone loving democrat is complicit in far more deadly violence than some kids who break a window.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:34:43 AM PDT

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    •  Stop conflating black block with anarchists (3+ / 0-)
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      quill, MarEng, ZhenRen

      I get so tired of hearing this. Anarchists were a huge part of many of the great social advancements in the last 150 years. Many modern anarchists hold non-violence as one of their dearest beliefs. And I hate to tell you this but anarchists were around during the civil rights movement and they were an important part of it.

      "Today is who you are" - my wife

      by I Lurked For Years on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:28:42 AM PDT

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