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  •  Yup (6+ / 0-)

    There is a valid point to be made here, but the thesis is not handled in the most impartial fashion.

    Disclaimer: If the above comment can possibly be construed as snark, it probably is.

    by grubber on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:20:36 AM PDT

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    •  Any chance (6+ / 0-)

      the diarist will actually comment?

      "The next time everyone will pay for it equally, and there won't be any more Chosen Nations, or any Others. Poor bastards all." ~The Boomer Bible

      by just another vet on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:25:57 AM PDT

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    •  I'm still wondering what the point is. (2+ / 0-)
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      Is the point "The oppressed have no language" or is it "There are too many white males on Daily Kos" or is it "There aren't enough minorities on Daily Kos" or what?

      Myself, I'd love to have more minority voices.  But I'd want them to be more like Kevin Gray than blackwaterdog, and I think most Kossacks would be really upset with (a) that choice and (b) the fact that some self-confessed white guy made it.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:30:18 AM PDT

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      •  It's the same point my college lit professor (2+ / 0-)
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        was making, tirelessly and tireSOMEly making, I'll add, and that is that the language of white, male, Europeans is inherently oppressive. Suggestions of what to replace it with are myriad.

        I would like to add that while making the assertion that the language of white, male, Europeans is inherently oppressive, my professor also made the point that text is inherently meaningless. To think that some people get tenure. (This is especially funny because the whole deconstructionist thing is based on the theories of white, European males.)

        What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

        by commonmass on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:45:13 AM PDT

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        •  Which is precisely why (2+ / 0-)
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          I find the Horkheimer/Adorno argument so compelling.  We can't replace the language with something else; that "something else" will preserve the traces of that which we tried to replace.  (Yes, that was a Derridean moment -- he made more sense on this issue than anyone else.)  

          To say that a text constructed out of inherently oppressive language is "meaningless" is, well, intellectually lazy.  It's an extreme combination of New Criticism-style contempt for intentionality combined with an extremist-hermeneutic attitude that meaning comes into being only once there's a reader for a given text.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:52:05 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly, which is why this particular prof (2+ / 0-)

            was so eternally vomitous and sick-making. Her continuous ad hominem attack on half the class was positively vicious, and many of us (including the ladies) were convinced that she purposely gave lower grades to men. She was also the chair of the department.

            What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

            by commonmass on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:55:37 AM PDT

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            •  You would (maybe not) be amazed (4+ / 0-)

              at the blatant sexism and oppression by some women in the corporate world who've gotten "theirs" and are determined to pull up the ladder behind them.

              Long ago, I worked for a small company that was bought by a much larger firm with a female CEO at the helm. Some of my female colleagues thought this was just awesome. I told them to be careful what they wished for.

              This [insert unacceptable female slur here] had the audacity to tell senior level women that they'd "better not even think about having kids" if they expected to get ahead in the company. She also spent plenty of time getting articles in professional journals trumpeting her own success, including the history of crushing her male mentors and driving them out of the company on her climb up to CEO.

              When one male VP was found to have made a bad decision, she busted down ALL VPs and senior people (something that hit many more male than female employees). It was a shocking display of "I'm doing this just because I can, fools!".

              Those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it... in summer school.

              by cassandracarolina on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:01:46 AM PDT

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