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  •  they deserve what happens to them (8+ / 0-)

    People voted these loons in and the only thing that was saving the state from itself was a democratic governor. You have the govt you voted for NC.

    •  unfortunately, (25+ / 0-)

      you are correct. I live in NC and used to be quite happy with all the progressive policies in place. The renewables law really spurred innovation and the industry took off here.

      When the new R governor was elected I knew what we were in for because I have been following all the misdeeds of the R's for years. I really don't think the full impact of their depravity was apparent to many that voted R here. Yes, it was to some, but not all. I see letters to the editor every day disgusted with some new policy etc, etc.

      The new R governor has been pissing people off since he was sworn in. One of the first things he did was disparage the UNC system (it is top grade five star in my book) because they offered liberal arts degrees instead of getting students ready for careers. He actually had the gall to call in just putting butt's in seats.  The wrath of hell couldn't have been worse for him. Professors to students ripped him a new one.

      In my opinion it has only gone down hill from there. repealing our renewable incentives, pushing fracking, they want to allow drilling off the NC coast, voter ID laws proposed, uncapping charter school numbers, bill limiting class size to be repealed. I could go on, but it is too painful.

      I have come to the same conclusion as you. The people that voted this train wreck in need to understand clearly what they have wrought. Too bad it will drag the rest of us down with them.

      Truth is harmonious, lies are discordant.

      by Babsnc on Fri May 03, 2013 at 05:38:45 AM PDT

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      •  People can't bring themselves to accept GOP evil. (6+ / 0-)

        They just can't, because it is too goddamn crazy & wrong.  This is America; the only truth the avg. person will accept is that government is just inherently incompetent, not that half of it is determined to make it so for their own gain.  Public incredulity is their prime defense.

        It really isn't about more & better Democrats anymore; it's about politically, culturally destroying the GOP & their corporate funders.  Of course, their minions are more into literally destroying the librul guvmint with an armed insurrection.  Fun times ahead.

        It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

        by Leftcandid on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:35:39 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe they won't tar the whole party (2+ / 0-)
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          But they certainly can, and may well, not vote for the PERSON who has pissed them off.

          If enough on one side lie to get in office and then turn around and do crap they never even hinted at (and that's what most have done), it might spread to others in the party.

          But we have to point out that the behavior isn't limited to one person, but infects most who are running under the GOP label.

          That's the hard part.

        •  It is time for more to be Yellow Dog Democrats, an (2+ / 0-)
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          unfortunate, even dismal, situation that is made necessary by a party of loons at war with themselves to the detriment of the nation and its citizens. From a comment I made days ago:

          Most voters still have not gotten the message that support of any TP/GOP candidate, in any election, aids the continued control of power levers sufficient to cause this kind of shit. Yeah, I'll admit that probably somewhere, hidden in some cranny there is a candidate that is a "good gooper"—but that candidate will vote to keep bad goopers in sufficient power to either enact batshit bizarre stuff or derail good stuff being worked by opponents.

          For the time being, and I do hope it is not too long, the only good gooper is a politically dead gooper.

          At this point in our political life, except in the few very solidly and firmly fixed "blue" areas—and remember, we once thought of places such as Minnesota and Wisconsin as pretty "blue"—all the discussion about better Democrats at the general election stage is essentially selling out to TP/GOP control. The "better" is great at primary level, unless it puts at risk a sure fire seat, but to sit out or otherwise fail at that other necessary function of elections, flush the toilet on the crap the other side is putting up:
          All we can do is flush because otherwise the shit gets overwhelming. Not as nice as having a choice of a good and better meal, but a very necessary civic duty.
          The TP/GOP shit has built up to a critical, even dangerous level for the nation's future well being and it must be flushed in 2013/2014 at every possible level.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:25:08 AM PDT

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    •  I have stopped caring about those in red states (5+ / 0-)

      and I know liberals live there but really, until people FEEL the effects of electing morons, there is no way to reach them

      •  Nice. (3+ / 0-)
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        Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

        by kismet on Fri May 03, 2013 at 05:48:55 AM PDT

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      •  Stay classy, merrywidow. (5+ / 0-)

        We'll remember not to call on you for help in trying to break the stranglehold the lunatics have on our state governments.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:03:12 AM PDT

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        •  Red state liberals will have to help themselves (1+ / 0-)
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          or plan to move to a blue state....

          •  Then don't come calling to me for contributions (3+ / 0-)
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            to defeat some R-•sshole that's running against your blue senator or congressman in your blue state.

            Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
            I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
            —Spike Milligan

            by polecat on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:35:00 AM PDT

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          •  We were becoming a purple state. (5+ / 0-)

            That's why this shit is so heartbreaking. Gerrymandering really fucked us over, for one- something that was true on a national level. This is the third time NC has had a Republican governor in 100  years. Massachusetts can't say that. California has had far more R's than D's in the governor's office in 100 years. You're sweeping generalizations don't hold up.

            Guess what? I've lived in four notoriously "blue" states. They were all full of superficial progressivism. This country would look a lot different if that weren't true. You really aren't telling the truth here, and it's just lousy to be that mean-spirited.

            •  And another problem is (2+ / 0-)
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              People constantly conflate voters with the actual government when discussing who is "red" or "blue." In simple terms, the body of government is a smaller sample of the population's wishes. But these voter desires go through a filtration process during the election cycles from all the gerrymandering, half-truth c.v.'s advertised by candidates, and monied interests at play. Input voter desires, output garbage. It's a stacked deck, I fear. I need to stop my rant soon, or I'll slide down a slippery slope, but I'm more and more appreciating that our political process is being hijacked by a very small number of people with hoards of cash, and with media continuously toeing the line of false equivalencies instead of honest investigations. Instead of giving air only to science or factual evidence, it's the endless spectacle of he-says-she-says, favoring the drama and theatrics over the actual plot.

              NC is just yet another piece of evidence in this picture. Labeling it a certain "color" on the grounds of its nutty leaders does nothing to explain similar goings-on around the country, even in "blue" states.

              "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

              by rovertheoctopus on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:57:44 AM PDT

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      •  NC is not a red state (5+ / 0-)

        Not that that is a excuse to let the do as they please because if we don't fight the int he red states when they take over the blue ones or purple ones this is what happens. See NC or Michigan or Wisconsin

        •  NC is Red-der than pre-2010 (3+ / 0-)
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          Only because of redrawn district lines.

          The TeaOP owns NC now because of this. Every blue voting district was chopped up on both the US House map and the State House and Senate maps.

          •  MSNBC just had a piece on how NC is the tea (5+ / 0-)

            party lab for the country right now. That means they're intent on bringing this shit elsewhere. I'm not really interested in, as an NC-ian, having the last laugh when this goes elsewhere. I'm interested in nipping it in the bud. I'd like to think every progressive is, but I guess there are some on our side that are too arrogant to put up a fight in the here and now.

            •  they are fighting reality. (0+ / 0-)

              real costs of renewables are falling like a stone,
              all we are seeing is a delay of the tide.

            •  There is no solution to the 2010 mess when a (2+ / 0-)
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              combination of false "blue" confidence and maybe some anger at failure to deliver all the hope thought promised to put a reactionary force in place to legislate gerrymandered districts for the next decade. It is a lesson every one of us needs that, again, every election is critical and has consequences. The wouldda, couldda, shouldda cannot reverse what was done.

              What we can do, and we in Virginia still aren't out of the woods on that yet, about the TP/GOP efforts to hijack elections by gerrymandering is vow to use our overall power in every election to deny anyone, anyone even if looking downright saintly, state or other offices determined by statewide votes. Deny them success in any measure on a statewide ballot measure. Try to force statewide ballot measures onto the ballot for our side and then ram them through.

              Until we can put this mad dog of a rump political movement were mad dogs are put there needs to be a dedicated scorched earth policy by our voters and allies as far as statewide votes go in every blue or purple state—and there may be a couple of "Red States" that can be unmade by leveraging that "urban vote" in that way.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:40:37 AM PDT

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    •  No we don't (9+ / 0-)

      I voted for Walter Dalton, and for Democrats all up and down the ballot.

      Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

      by kismet on Fri May 03, 2013 at 05:49:30 AM PDT

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      •  And Walter Dalton was a shitty candidate, IMHO. (0+ / 0-)

        Just like anywhere else, we need good candidates to make good things happen. That's not unique to NC- if only.

        •  Yeah he was invisible. (0+ / 0-)

          It was not good. The Democrats here are kind of in disarray, plus it appears that Obama is taking our popular mayor for his own nefarious purposes (Transpo. Secy.)

          Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

          by kismet on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:24:06 AM PDT

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    •  Please don't include ALL of us in (18+ / 0-)

      your wrath!

      However, I myself pretty much lost patience with the idiots in this state when they voted McCrory in as governor. If I had a dollar for every Democrat or liberal who said something along the lines of "oh, Pat was wonderful as mayor of Charlotte...he worked across the aisle and was really moderate" and then voted for the creep, I'd be my own Koch Brother.

      Anybody with an ounce of observation ability could see that McCrory had sauntered down the rightwing path by his third or fourth term as mayor; he was already greasing the skids for his quest for higher office, and he knew that Teabagistan was where he'd get the money he needed.

      McCrory is self-serving filth, period. He has no redeeming characteristics. He makes Scott Walker look like a nice guy and a towering intellect.

      So, much as I hate to do so, I have to agree with you at least a little bit. If it hadn't been for moderates and even liberals being so stupid as to vote for a piece of shit like McCrory, we'd at least have a Democratic governor.

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Fri May 03, 2013 at 05:57:04 AM PDT

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      •  But the reason they was because (1+ / 0-)
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        He didn't say what he wanted to do. None of them did. If they had, they wouldn't have been elected, and they know it.

        It's bait and switch. We need to point up that if somebody takes money from xxx, they do yyyy, and that's hard.

      •  Is that wrath? I read it as uninformed (0+ / 0-)

        condescension. Arrogance costs progressives elections. We need to cut that shit out if we're going to turn the tide in our direction.

      •  No you wouldn't. (0+ / 0-)

        "If I had a dollar for every Democrat or liberal who said something along the lines of "oh, Pat was wonderful as mayor of Charlotte...he worked across the aisle and was really moderate" and then voted for the creep, I'd be my own Koch Brother."

        Even if every US Citizen said that and then promptly handed you a dollar, you'd be a mere millionaire, with a paltry bit-less-than-half-a-billion dollars.  They're worth about a hundred times that.

    •  Your attitude bites... (15+ / 0-)

      Seriously, the difference between a "red" state and a "blue" state can be one tenth (or less) of the total number of voters.

      So you're saying that in a state that is marginally Republican, voters (including those who voted Democratic) somehow deserve every bad thing that happens as a result?

      Frankly, that's the sort of self-centered, arrogant attitude that I expect from Republicans, not from fellow Democrats.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Fri May 03, 2013 at 06:19:31 AM PDT

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      •  For real (9+ / 0-)

        These aren't the sort of landslide victories that are reported by the Saddam Husseins of the world.  We're talking about a state that nearly went for Obama twice.  And even the most extreme red state - Utah - still has one in four voters checking the blue box.  That's a lot of voters, and a lot of people.

      •  Because it's like that all the way down (0+ / 0-)

        Like your Texas for example.  It's not just that your Gov. is GOP and the legislature is GOP.  The towns are GOP, the school boards are GOP, the zoning boards are GOP.  And then schools are built next door to a fertilizer plant, and no one even thinks twice about it.

        The people in those states have swallowed the lie hook line and sinker that everything gov't does is evil, it never does anything except steal money from the "hard working" Americans.  When everyone thinks gov't is evil, they don't even try anymore.

        •  The large cities in TX are not GOP. (9+ / 0-)

          The Democrats are in charge in San Antonio, for example.  Remember Julian Castro who spoke at the Democratic Nat'l. convention in 2012?  Surely you remember - it hasn't been that long ago.  He's my mayor and is about to re-elected to his third term.  The problem in TX is the rural and small town areas who vote Republican (and there are a lot of them) along with the rich and powerful, who don't actually give a damn who's in charge as long as they get theirs.  They just find it easier to get theirs from Republicans.

          Painting "the people" in red states with a broad brush of opprobrium is not only derogatory and small-minded, it's incorrect.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

          by SueDe on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:36:52 AM PDT

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        •  No, it isn't like that all the way on down. (2+ / 0-)
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          in NC. You don't know what you're talking about. Part of the problem here is that the Dems have too often written off NC on the national level. If they pour all the money into other states, that's going to be self-fulfilling. Obama one NC the first time around by knowing better than that. He lost NC the second time around by fucking over the middle and lower classes. We all lost enthusiasm for him at that point. That wasn't unique to NC. You can't turn the tide in a borderline state if you don't give your side incentive to fight hard. That's reality. Scott Brown would have never won MA if Obama had been more effective.

        •  You don't know what you're talking about... (0+ / 0-)

          ...because city council and school board races in Texas are non-partisan.  That means it is not always clear what the political affiliation of a candidate for these types of positions may be.

          And in the partisan races (ie, county level), the general rule here is that the more urban areas tend to lean blue, suburbs and rural areas go red.

          Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

          by TexasTom on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:52:15 AM PDT

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    •  For you and everyone who uprated this post: (3+ / 0-)
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      I wholeheartedly DISAGREE.

      2010 caused this, and 2010 was caused by Citizens United and a whole lot of blue dogs running away from President Obama's ACA Healthcare plan.

      We lost the entire legislature, BIG TIME, and they GerryMandered themselves in.

      Obama WON in NC in 2008 and got pretty d*mned close in 2012.

      Go F_ yourself.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:37:57 AM PDT

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