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  •  Tell me, if you were picked right now for the (2+ / 0-)
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    jury:  Could you legitimately claim impartiality?

    I seriously doubt it, the well has been poisoned.

    The question I have is why is the government going to such lengths do to so?  Is this the new face of "justice in America"?  Guilt by mob rule?

    How many people in America today haven't already convicted him?  That's not justice.

    Why do we sequester juries?  To keep them impartial and not be influenced by public opinion.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:09:02 AM PDT

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    •  I could. And a lot of other people could. (2+ / 0-)
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      Very often, those who can't be impartial on a jury are those who would convict any person they had a prejudice against, whether the evidence proved it or not.

      I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

      by second gen on Fri May 03, 2013 at 08:38:50 AM PDT

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      •  I seriously have to question this "ability". (1+ / 0-)
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        How much of what you believe is impartiality isn't influenced or colored by the media, your likes, dislikes, popular opinion and personal experiences?  

        Many people actually believe if you get arrested you must have done something wrong.

        What is the "perfect juror"?

        When I read articles like this:

        ESSAY: Profile of a Perfect Juror
        (warning it's a pay to read article)

        And the first thing stated is this:

        Generally speaking, a perfect juror is someone whose belief system fits well with the issues in your case. Before you can begin thinking about what kind of individual jurors might be good for your case, you need to think about what kind of jury you want. Do you want a jury that is strong on the issue of liability - or one that is strong on damages?
        Our system becomes less about justice and more about who can win and nothing to do with facts.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:17:45 AM PDT

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        •  Well, that settles it then. You question my (1+ / 0-)
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          ability, therefore, it must be false.

          I guess we should just throw out the jury system, it doesn't work anyway, amirite?

          I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

          by second gen on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:22:10 AM PDT

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          •  I think the point is that it CAN work right and (1+ / 0-)
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            only if it is not tainted by opinions that were formed by information that has not been tested in court to establish its validity under the law.

            That's my meandering answer but a simple example is when news broadcasts, newspapers and radio programs have already pronounced guilt then finding unbiased jurors is almost impossible.
            That is also why some trials are moved to other jurisdictions because the defendant can't get a fair trail in a certain area due to things like media reports that have already convicted someone in the court of public opinion.

            The big problem here is that this stuff is being broadcast across every jurisdiction in the Country.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:34:29 AM PDT

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            •  I sat on a jury once. It was a statutory rape (1+ / 0-)
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              case between a 35 year old man and a 15 year old girl. They were in a relationship, the parents found out, he was prosecuted. No one on the jury had ever heard of it. No one knew the parties.

              The guy ended up going free because there was a PHARMACIST on the jury who tried to swing his "medical credentials". The evidence was that an ER nurse that the parents took her to the night they caught them having sex examined her and stated that there was sexual contact. She testified that there were no bruises or other signs of force. All visuals were "within normal limits".

              The pharmacist refused to vote him guilty. We deliberated for hours, went to the judge twice to tell him it was a hung jury. He made us go back and deliberate longer. It took 2 days. It was essentially open and shut. The father saw them having sex. The girl admitted she had a relationship with him. The nurse testified that she had sex with him.

              But the pharmacist believed that because it wasn't forcible, he wasn't guilty. No matter how you try to explain to the guy the difference between forcible rape and statutory rape.

              So, juries can be stupid. No matter whether there is previous publicity or not. That's our jury system. It's a risk.

              I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

              by second gen on Fri May 03, 2013 at 12:16:44 PM PDT

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