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  •  I am with you on this much: (5+ / 0-)

    Tsarnaev deserves his rights, and those rights are worth protecting.

    What I object to is the contortions people are undertaking in an attempt to convince us those rights are being violated, both inherently, and in this case in particular.

    Many of those contortions are emotional. It's quite clear to me that Tsarnaev is being tacitly made into a victim in this diary, in order to support the concept that government is determined to take our rights away. That's hogwash, and it's patent hogwash.

    I have no patience for the Nancy Graces of the world, and I have no more for the anti-Nancy Graces of the world.

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Fri May 03, 2013 at 08:42:01 AM PDT

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    •  You see, I didn't get that from this diary at all. (3+ / 0-)
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      When the government selectively releases information about an ongoing case and investigation, it hurts us all.

      It's really not a contortion to point it out.  They go after whistleblowers for releasing info they don't like but ignore the whistleblowers that undermine the very fabric of our justice system.

      I really think there should be a law and consequences to prevent them from trying the case in the court of public opinion. It's become a feeding frenzy, imo.

      It's clear we don't see it the same way, that's okay.  Is it emotional?  I guess it depends on how seriously you take the constitution.

      It's clear he was denied rights because they've decided those rights are immaterial.

      That is dangerous for us all, whether or not you see, understand or agree.

      -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

      by gerrilea on Fri May 03, 2013 at 08:54:20 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, let me put a finer point on something: (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't believe Tsarnaev deserves his rights. (I don't think he deserves a damn thing other than misery and suffering until he one day, perhaps, arrives at the point of genuine, overwhelming contrition.)

      But I still think he ought to get his rights, despite my own feelings about it. Because I've not let my emotions overwhelm my senses.

      All I can say is that it's a damn good thing for our society that I am not a judge in this case.

      You guys are going to have to pick a different poster boy for your "eroding civil liberties" campaign. Because this one ain't going nowhere.

      Non futuis apud Boston

      by kenlac on Fri May 03, 2013 at 08:57:45 AM PDT

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      •  rights are not earned (4+ / 0-)
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        and we dont have to prove we deserve them.

        The deserving part comes more toward the end of a trial, and he has the right to a fair one of those, as do all citizens.

        Glad to see you're willing to grant them to this guy ... despite your emotions. You know, we dont make any promise that any of this civil liberties stuff is easy. It is not. In fact, it may be the hardest thing confronting us (as a nation) but deal with it we must.

        If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

        by Lady Libertine on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

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