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  •  You are right sorry I was in a rush and didn't (0+ / 0-)

    review. Thanks

    As for ways around congress.  He was able to collect a billion dollars for his reelection campaign. I would be willing to donate money to see justice done for the detainees at Gitmo. I don't know but if the president was willing to do whatever was necessary to see justice done, I believe a way could be found. I'm probably naive.

    "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright" Curt Siodmak

    by Wisdumb on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:50:54 AM PDT

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    •  Congress is the problem so are other countries. (1+ / 0-)
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      President Obama issued the order just as he promised. The Congress doesn't want Gitmo closed.

      It is magical thinking to believe the biggest obstacle here (and with most issues) isn't the Congress or countries such as Yemen who cannot promise they can or will be able to take detainees back in a proper way.

      How can we really make a difference if we refuse to accept reality of a given issue. There is plenty of fault to be found with President Obama but this issue isn't one of them.

      It seems that there are people on the Left who also believe in an imperial presidency just as we see on the Right. The only difference is on what issue and that they will admit their belief.

      The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

      by sebastianguy99 on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:53:09 AM PDT

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    •  Well, that's an interesting thought... (0+ / 0-)

      to solicit public donations for all the attendant costs of civil trials and for start-up and ongoing detention facilities in the USA. I don't know how many millions of dollars that would require, but expect that would be "a lot".

      I'm with you on wanting Gitmo closed, and I believe that Gitmo is a stain on American history. But I'm not aware of any federal program (outside of regulated election campaigns), significant or otherwise, that has been fully funded by public donations.

      POTUS is not a dictator, and things don't happen in this country solely out of the will of whoever happens to be POTUS.

      Moreover, your opinion and mine do not represent the opinion of the overall public. Sadly, we hold a distinctly minority opinion. Consider that 51% of the public favored closure of Gitmo in January 2009. By 2010, only 39% of the public favored closure of Gitmo. By February 2012 (the most recent poll on Gitmo), only 24% of the public disapproved of Gitmo.

      According to a Washington Post poll released on February 4, 2012, 70 percent of respondents either “strongly” or “somewhat” approved of the policy of keeping the prison facility open. Only 24 percent expressed disapproval. The Post revealed that 67 percent of self-described “moderate” or “conservative Democrats” approved of keeping the prison facility open, while 53 percent of self-identified “liberal Democrats” also supported keeping Guantanamo Bay operating.
      Link.

      “We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it from our children” ― Chief Seattle

      by SoCalSal on Fri May 03, 2013 at 12:04:59 PM PDT

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      •  If you can come up with the money and legal (0+ / 0-)

        cover to kill people on the other side of the world with drones than you ought to be able to bring justice to people you are detaining. What would Ghandi do?

        "Even a man who is pure in heart and says his prayers by night may become a wolf when the wolfbane blooms and the autumn moon is bright" Curt Siodmak

        by Wisdumb on Fri May 03, 2013 at 02:32:25 PM PDT

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