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  •  It's still a property right, viz., a bailment. (2+ / 0-)
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    ichibon, Miggles

    Your rights and responsibilities with respect to a weapon issued to you are still property rights. A bailment is a transfer of the right of possession, which is a property right short of full ownership. You can't have a "right" to "maintain and preserve" something if it's not yours, whether by ownership or temporary right of possession. But you can be liable for what happens to, or with, property you don't own but that is legally in your possession, hence the "trouble" part you mentioned.

    •  But you don't have to own something (2+ / 0-)
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      FogCityJohn, ColoTim

      in order to be responsible for it. That's kind of the point, I think.

      Civil rights would, I think, entail education - learning how to care for and use weaponry, and learning the history and laws regarding them. Education is (or should be) a civil right.

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      by Noddy on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:25:09 AM PDT

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      •  Civil rights tend to be (2+ / 0-)
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        ichibon, Miggles

        negative rights, i.e., the right against arbitrary restraint of or interference with one's actions, forbearances, words, thoughts, beliefs, &c.

        Property rights are affirmative rights, which the property owner can exercise against others.

        •  But civil rights don't (0+ / 0-)

          have to be negative, nor do property right have to be affirmative.

          And if you absolutely must make it a negative - there are plenty of ways to make interference with an education, the arbitrary censorship of information, etc.

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          by Noddy on Fri May 03, 2013 at 12:41:16 PM PDT

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