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  •  I disagree with this statement: (0+ / 0-)
    You can't have a "Right to Keep and Bear" something you don't own, that someone else owns.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Fri May 03, 2013 at 02:23:18 PM PDT

    •  There's a discussion above about (1+ / 0-)
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      lawful possession and bailment, as distinct from ownership. It would be more accurate to say, you can't have a "Right to Keep and Bear" something in which you have no property rights.

      Or do you "disagree" for some other reason?

      •  I disagree with your conception of property (0+ / 0-)

        rights.

        But then, you seem to be trained as a lawyer, which means your conception of all of this is very, very different from mine.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri May 03, 2013 at 04:17:33 PM PDT

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      •  Which is to say that (0+ / 0-)

        the property right in guns is a necessary part of the 'right to keep and bear arms' but is it all that is implied in that stated right? I think if you investigate the usage of the phrase 'bear arms' before the Bill of Rights, you would find that it is a weighty and pregnant phrase, very clearly implicating the use of arms, not just their possession.

        Cry, the beloved country, these things are not yet at an end.

        by rcbowman on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:22:58 PM PDT

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