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  •  They won't get that thru the UN. (3+ / 0-)

    Not with Russia and China standing in the way.  Israel appears to be trying to complicate things, maybe instigate something.  

    "I'm an antiwar propagandist as accused by democrats. Not even republicans have called me that."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:26:45 PM PDT

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    •  Or maybe (2+ / 0-)
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      Protect themselves.

    •  They kept harping (10+ / 0-)

      that we needed to attack Syria, didn't they? And pretty recently, even?

      Perhaps the word instigate isn't quite strong enough?

      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

      by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:37:21 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, (8+ / 0-)

          they have.

          Israel will use President Obama's visit on Wednesday to try to persuade the US to carry out air strikes on Syria if there is evidence that Syrian missiles are to be handed over to Hezbollah in Lebanon, or at least to give full support to Israeli military action to prevent the transfer.
          Go ahead now, scold me for using the word "harping", mmkay?

          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

          by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:47:26 PM PDT

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          •  Change (0+ / 0-)

            the parameters, then find the situation that fits it. Nice job.

            •  Bullshit (7+ / 0-)

              The link directly contradicts your assertion that Israel wasn't out to persuade the United States to attack Syria.

              In other words, you were wrong.

               

              "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

              by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 09:53:00 PM PDT

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              •  No, I wasn't. (0+ / 0-)

                there's a little tiny two letter word that changes the quoted paragraph from something similar to what you said, to something completely different.

                If.

                if there is evidence that Syrian missiles are to be handed over to Hezbollah in Lebanon
                so there was no unqualified case of Israel urging that "we" attack Syria.
                •  Yes, you were. (3+ / 0-)
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                  You didn't qualify anything. You clearly and unequivocally stated no, they didn't.

                  I fail to understand why you can't simply admit that and move on.

                  "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                  by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:06:09 PM PDT

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                  •  No, it was you (0+ / 0-)

                    that made the unqualified claim. That unqualified claim was wrong. I'm not sure why you can't admit that you were wrong and just move on.

                    •  No, it wasn't me. (2+ / 0-)
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                      Which is why I laughed at you up-front about the word "harping". It sucks that you can't parse the shit out of that, doesn't it?

                      "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                      by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:09:13 PM PDT

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                      •  You really should review (0+ / 0-)

                        You were laughing at me, because you used a word? mmkay? There's no reason for me to parse this nonsense. It's clear you're confused about the conversation. Time for you to give it up.

                        •  Yeah, I was--maybe (4+ / 0-)
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                          English isn't your first language?

                          Had I not brought it up, the first words out of your browser would have been "You're wrong, they weren't harping!"  Don't you hate it when people beat you to it?

                          Israel has been after the United States to attack Syria. I'm far from being the only one to demonstrate that with citations. I'm sorry that outright denial appears to be your best friend this evening...

                          "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                          by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:32:29 PM PDT

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                          •  Oh, now I get what you're saying (1+ / 0-)
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                            I had like four chances for it to be the first thing "out of my browser". And it never was. So that's proof of something else that you were wrong about?

                            Israel may have urged the US to take action IF Syria attempted to transfer weapons. That's hardly the same as claiming Israel has been after the US to attack Syria. Your assertion was simply wrong. Your own citation includes the qualification which makes it different. There's no reason to continue this. You made a claim that was false, you got called on it.

                          •  LOL! (1+ / 0-)
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                            No, you didn't have four chances--it was taken out of the equation straightaway. Undaunted, you pounced on an IF that is only tangentially related to the point being made.

                            If there was no reason to continue this, you would have shut up about it long ago. But no--you were wrong, you got called on it, and you simply cannot abide that, because it shows your precious nation-state in a bad light. Can't have that!

                            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                            by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 10:55:41 PM PDT

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                          •  You laugh (0+ / 0-)

                            At your own foolishness. You call me out for not doing something you "knew" I was going to do, but never did. Never even considered, and claim victory because...freedom?

                            Words have meaning.

                            If a co-worker tells you...IF A happens, do B, it is not the same as that co-worker telling you to do B, absent any qualification. Claiming they're identical is height of hyperbole. You win the hyperbole award.

                            good night.

                          •  I laugh (0+ / 0-)

                            at you. Run away now!

                            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                            by lunachickie on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:04:36 PM PDT

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                          •  Run away? (0+ / 0-)

                            Unlikely. I've been here a long time. I've seen a lot of people make unsupported claims and then refuse to back down from them, no matter how ridiculous the arguments. You're no different from any other ideologue who "knows". Beliefs are a hard thing to shake whether it's god or politics that guide those beliefs. Nuance is important to non-believers. To believers like you, not so much.

                          •  Yes, that's actually what you did (0+ / 0-)

                            But now you're back for more in a dead diary. That you took the time and trouble to drag this on says much about you, and none of it is particularly flattering.

                            Go ahead. Make it personal some more. It won't change the fact that you were wrong.

                            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                            by lunachickie on Sat May 04, 2013 at 11:52:12 AM PDT

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                          •  took the time and trouble to drag this on (0+ / 0-)

                            yes, indeed. look in the mirror.

                          •  Yes, you did (0+ / 0-)

                            because you just can't stay away, can you?

                            "The “Left” is NOT divided on the need to oppose austerity and the Great Betrayal. The Third Way is not left or center or even right. It is Wall Street on the Potomac."--Bill Black

                            by lunachickie on Sat May 04, 2013 at 01:04:28 PM PDT

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                •  'if' in the sentence above (3+ / 0-)
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                  Israel will use President Obama's visit on Wednesday to try to persuade the US to carry out air strikes on Syria if there is evidence that Syrian missiles are to be handed over to Hezbollah in Lebanon, or at least to give full support to Israeli military action to prevent the transfer.
                  means 'when'. lunachickie is right. You aren't.

                  Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                  by InAntalya on Fri May 03, 2013 at 11:51:51 PM PDT

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                  •  Thank you for agreeing with me (0+ / 0-)

                    since "if" and "when" are two different words, and they have different meanings. Your conclusion makes me wonder, as lunachickie did about me, whether you understand the english language. But in any case, you've proved my point, so I appreciate it.

                    •  What I wonder about you is whether or not you (2+ / 0-)
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                      think before you write.

                      Probably not, because if you did you wouldn't make such conspicuous mistakes.

                      oxforddictionaries.com

                      Definition of if

                      conjunction

                      whenever; every time

                      If I go out, she gets nasty.

                      dictionary.com

                      if

                      conjunction

                      when or whenever

                      If it was raining, we had to play inside.

                      www.thefreedictionary.com

                      if

                      conjunction

                      when, whenever, every time, any time

                      She gets very upset if I exclude her from anything.

                      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                      by InAntalya on Sat May 04, 2013 at 09:14:24 AM PDT

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                      •  LOL (0+ / 0-)

                        Are you really arguing that "if" and "when" have identical meanings? If so, I would have to ask seriously whether english is your first language.

                        •  Take a look at the last two comments (1+ / 0-)
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                          you have written in this exchange and you should be able to understand who has a problem with the English language.

                          Your own words are proof to anyone who reads them that you are the one who has an inadequate knowledge of English.

                          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                          by InAntalya on Sat May 04, 2013 at 10:37:03 AM PDT

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                          •  Keep arguing if you like (0+ / 0-)

                            Your words make no sense. Repeating them won't improve their clarity.

                          •  There is no need to improve their clarity. (1+ / 0-)
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                            My words are completely clear to anyone who knows English and thinks.

                            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                            by InAntalya on Sat May 04, 2013 at 10:58:08 AM PDT

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                          •  InAntalya (1+ / 0-)
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                            What are you hearing within Turkey regarding the use of WMD in Syria?  Credible?

                          •  Its widely known that Syria has chemical weapons. (2+ / 0-)
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                            It is also considered to be no big deal because it is understood that they are there because of the state of war that exists between Syria and Israel.

                            No one is clamoring for getting rid of them.

                            No one believes that they are a real threat to Turkey - it is understood that in some unlikely theoretical scenario they could be a threat but no one believes they are a real threat.

                            No one believes they were used by the Syrian military, "You expect me to believe that maybe a dozen people were killed by a chemical bomb attack because of some strange opposition video?!?"

                            As far as I can tell the current shitstorm about Syrian chemical weapons seems to be an entirely American - and now a little Israeli - affair.

                            I have not seen or heard of anything like this happening anwhere else.

                            As to the general Turkish view of what's happening in Syria - the opposition and rebels have essentially been written off by the people and government of Turkey.

                            The regard in which the opposition and rebels are held hit a new low this week (I didn't think it could get much lower but it did.) after one Turkish police officer was killed and another police officer, five Turkish soldiers, and four Turkish civilians were shot at the Turkish-Syrian border. It is widely believed here that the rebels were responsible.

                            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

                            by InAntalya on Sat May 04, 2013 at 12:50:56 PM PDT

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