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  •  "Where is he?" ??? (1+ / 0-)
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    Tim DeLaney

    First off faith does not require proof.  I'm also agnostic.  I can choose to believe that there is some thing attached to the word symbol we (in English) call God or not.  I don't have to answer anything.  

    The question of what was before the so called big-bang is meaningless.  There was (is) no before time and space.  The singularity that is popularly called the big bang is defined by three numbers known as Plank's limits.  Everything that is or ever will be in the universe
    fits into the box below.  That's it.  The whole thing fit in the tiniest possible quantum space, time and length.  Not very big, huh?    

    Quantity               SI equivalent
    Planck time    5.39121 × 10−44 s
    Planck mass    2.17645 × 10−8 kg
    Planck length (ℓP)    1.616252×10−35 m
    And despite Star Trek, the movie.  There is no bang in a vacuum.  

    Quantum particles are "nowhere to be seen" and were until only recently as undetectable as God.  Yet we know they exist because we have sufficiently evolved to the point were we can prove their existence through indirect means.  As we learn and evolve we will no doubt uncover "new" wonders of the universe yet our reach across the vastness of that universe will always be humblingly small.  

    The universe has been around about 13.8 billion years and is something like 41 billion light years across.  Humans in modern form around 50K. We've only done modern science for less than 500.  Our  first deep space probe hasn't even left the solar system yet.   Not only does man not know, man doesn't even know enough yet to know what the unknowns are.  

    I'll borrow from Don (the Dick) Rumsfield.  We know the knows, we know (some) unknowns but we don't even have a clue what the unknowns are.  

    Second what's with the male pronouns?  

    If there is a creator of the universe it would have existed before the sex evolved.  Single celled life evolved on Earth 3.8 billion years ago or roughly 11 billion years after the beginning and those critters didn't figure sex out until about 2 billion years ago and animals didn't evolve until 1.2 billion years ago.  

    The current theory is that the universe existed in the first 300,000 years in a opaque plasma state and the first stars didn't even form for another 500,000 years.  It's pretty safe to say that the universe didn't come preequipped with life of the sexual or asexual variety.  God, whatever that means is not likely to be a he or a she.

    Finally the universe was not created.  The universe as we currently understand it came into existence in a singularity that was the tiniest step possible above being infinitely small.  For some reason that we don't understand it hyper-expanded in the next few hundred millionths of a second to much the same size it is now and continues to evolve.  The universe continues to be created; to grow, change and evolve and will do so until it meets whatever end is in store for it which is another little detail that we don't know.  

    So as I see it : Houston we have a problem.  Actually we have a lot of them.  Words are symbols to whatever meaning we attach to them in a given language.  It's true that can't prove scientifically (rationally) what the symbol for the letters God mean and may never be able to either.  We also don't know what caused the beginning singularity or even use a scientifically adequate name for it.  

    We have no clue how or why the infant universe, which should have been subject to the laws of said universe, managed to expand faster than the speed of light.  We do know that 68% of the universe is dark energy and 27% of it is dark matter and since we don't know what those are we don't even know what 95% of the universe is made out of.  

    And the cherry on top:  We don't know is there is 3 dimensions plus time or 11 dimensions or if there is one universe or an infinite number.  Did I mention that we don't know how or even if the universe will end?  

    So is there room for an unknown that some of us attach to the symbol known as God which may or may not have had anything to do with the beginning of the universe?  Maybe it came over on the raft through the singularity  along with all the other stuff.  What are it's powers?  Rationally we don't know, but it has remained with us through thousands of years of evolution even, we believe from proto, to modern human.  I believe that the idea is that evolution weeds out traits that don't add to the survival of a species does it not?  It seems a tiny bit premature to this rational agnostic to make any firm commitment.  I can't solve an equation so many unknowns.  Can you?

    And of course church and state should be seperate just keep the government out of my social security.  :-)


    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:22:47 AM PDT

    •  The Planck limits (1+ / 0-)
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      defy our intuition.

      How can it be that a period of time less than the Planck time is meaningless? Similar questions WRT mass and length. Our intuition tells us that these real world measurements ought to be infinitely divisible, and yet modern Physics tells us they are not.

      The question of the existence of God (or what most people mean by that term) pales in comparison to the questions modern physics poses.

      Note to Boehner and McConnell: "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." --Bob Dylan-- (-7.25, -6.21)

      by Tim DeLaney on Sun May 19, 2013 at 12:55:45 AM PDT

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