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  •  Where to start here. (9+ / 0-)

    I always love your analytical comments, hannah.

    I do feel a need to debate these points, however, in two words:

    Cognitive dissonance

    Well four words

    Cognitive dissonance and willfull ingnorance, which is really an outpouring of cognitive dissonance.

    In retrospect, it is NO surprise that shortly after the end of Segregation in the 1960s,  the "Hate Libruls" mantra began it's now decades long spiel.  Sure, it was cloaked under the fears of communism/socialisim presented as pining to steal all freedoms from everyone.

    In reality, I see the willful ignorance of today as an outcome, a continuation of the hateful, gender/race bias of the evil slavery chapter enjoyed by too many for too long in the USA.

    In short, bigotry and greed to include the Church Ministers depending on both for their bread and butter, conned the masses of fellow bigots that the new enemy, the dog to kick now that African Americans had Article 13 Constitutional protections and an end to hateful segregation, are Libruls.

    The dissonance created by the emmancipation of Blacks was enormous for most of the whites in the south and even many in the north.  The end of segregation in the 1960s blew their minds.  To compensate, they had to grab hold of a new pillar to piss on.

    So, once convinced Libruls are evil, it's been a cake walk for bigotry and mostly GREED, to convince these voters to reject any candidate and/or policy from any, other than tried and true so-called Conservatives regardless of how bad, dumb, incompetent, and/or blatantly evil the candidate is or the GOP policies are.  Cunningham, DeLay, Palin, Fox, and Gohmert are good examples.

    So, no.  I refuse to let any who continue down this willfully ignorant path off the hook.

    I know some Phd's who think Fox News is the bomb, who believe Libruls are evil, and who refuse to question anything the GOP does.  Of course, they will shout from the rooftops that, as stalwart Christians, they don't have a bigoted bone in their body.  I call BS.

    Is there malnutrition?  Yes.  Are there brain-damaged people?  Yes.

    Thinking isn't the problem.  Feeling is.

    Cognitive dissonance disengages the heart, where people can experience empathy and compassion.  If it were not for cognitive dissonance, all the evil perpetuated by one group onto another could not happen.  Group think is easily manipulated by those who understand how to use words to steer people into their paradigms.

    Few in power will admit these truths.

    IMO

    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:34:46 AM PDT

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    •  Well, I'll tell you what. (6+ / 0-)

      A very long time ago, a supervisor (the last I ever had) advised that I needed to learn what could be changed and what couldn't and suggested that God would provide the grace to tell the difference. My response then was that, in order to know, I'd have to first try to make a difference. And so, I've spent 50 years doing that and now I'm to the point of realizing that some people simply cannot be led to comprehend what their brains are not prepared to receive.

      Is it cognitive dissonance or cognitive absence? I'm inclined to go with the latter. Some people are incapable of knowing themselves or what they do. Socrates and Jesus Christ both identified them. People who know not what they do and act out of habit or in imitation. Imitation is particularly deceiving because imitation not only flatters but enables complex behaviors without revealing that there's no cognition.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sun May 05, 2013 at 02:56:30 PM PDT

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      •  All true, hannah (2+ / 0-)
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        I often wonder if, at some point, our average Jane and/or Joe, at some young age, doesn't sever the connection between the heart and the brain.  Did you know the heart precedes the brain function?  Without conciously asking the heart to inform the brain (that still small voice), or worse willfully ignoring the promptings of the heart, people can't behave in a holistic manner.

        We are talking about people here, so of course no generalization can apply and the variables are many; however, with some exceptions of course, I refuse to believe that people are not responsible for their choices on how to think and behave even though the constraints are oppressive in too many cases, like deep poverty, oppression, and being treated without basic dignity.

        In this and too many societies, too many peope are left at the botton of the Maslo pyramid of needs.  I think it drives many insane, quite frankly, while many find some inner strength to drag themselves out of the slime, renew themselves, and live good lives.  Victor Frankl addresses this in his book, Man's Search for Meaning.

        From personal experience, I can clearly remember the times, even the words, when my heart prompted me to make a change, what to say, where to find something, etc.  More often than not, I listened and probably saved myself a world of trouble.

        This persistent willful ignorance on behalf of the Right Wing here and throughout the world is a huge constraint, keeping societies divided, incomes unequal, and the large list of societal, environmental, and oppressions in place.

        It makes me sad and wondering if we will ever get the courage to suffer for a short time in order to resist the system that is oppressing?  What would that suffering look like?  Hunger?  Homelessness?  Group housing?  I honestly am stumped.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun May 05, 2013 at 04:57:20 PM PDT

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        •  No suffering required. Just standing together. (0+ / 0-)

          The deprivation is being imposed virtually by relying on two figments of the imagination -- money and the law. Both, being virtual, can be adjusted quite easily, once we out and decry their use to subordinate our own kind.
          It was thought that "equality" held the key. But it turns out almost the whole population can be equally deprived of their livelihood and their rights. What we need to address is the notion that subordination of human beings is wrong -- that abuse and enforced obedience are wrong.
          I suppose that in order to do that we have to make a distinction between enforced obedience and the prohibition of wrong and realize that compliance does not eliminate wrong behavior because enforced obedience is itself the essence of wrong.
          There is a difference between following and being dragged along.

          We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

          by hannah on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:22:23 AM PDT

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    •  I know a Phd like this (0+ / 0-)

      He's also a bully whose family fears him. He's a wingnut because he's a bully and the ideology is just for cover. Most if not all of their leaders are this way. But the followers are some combination of dumb, ignorant, fearful, manipulated and unsophisticated, and acting out of tribal pressure, and I believe that many of them can eventually be "rescued", especially as the fiery rhetoric of their leaders is belied by the harsh realities of their lives.

      Things change, eventually, and conservatism as a viable political and ideological force will soon be spent for another generation or two.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 09:27:09 PM PDT

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