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    But what that system does is make the districts conform to a simple mathematical scheme that does not have politics as its core nor does it care about anything but citizenship as a criteria for representation. Saying that even this system could be manipulated by politics is accurate but at the very least, politics would play a significantly smaller role than one taken by subjective means. Geography does not vote nor does it represent a policy goal, it is simply the science of geography. Where people live in terms of geography might dictate their means of survival and perhaps shape their politics but then so does which church you were raised in, which gender you are, which school you went to and so on. I am of the opinion that by doing something like this scheme, we will move towards forming totally objective districts that force people to acknowledge each other and elect people who serve their districts not their politics. I am a liberal and my personal bias would be to make districts as liberal as possible and make conservatives a marginal power. Why should my personal political objectives be the determining factor in something as important as a congressional district? In many ways, this discussion relates to states and federalism as well. I see very little benefit from having states as guides to voting power. It ends up making the minority the key power broker over the majority.

    Do facts matter anymore?

    by Sinan on Wed May 08, 2013 at 05:05:49 PM PDT

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    •  Your mistake is "totally objective districts" (2+ / 0-)
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      Zack from the SFV, hankmeister

      There is no such thing. Let me repeat: there is no such thing as a totally objective district. The "fairness" of a district is inherently subjective, and we can argue how fair a district is until the cows come home, under any criterion that it is drawn.

      The logic you are presenting is "if there is no human involvement then it is objective and fair." You never addressed how this assumption is valid. I've pointed out how this is patently untrue and have yet to hear a response.

      "I am of the opinion that by doing something like this scheme, we will move towards forming totally objective districts that force people to acknowledge each other and elect people who serve their districts not their politics."
      Random collection of communities leads to attention to every community and intercommunity dialogue? As someone who grew up in an underrepresented low-income community, that is absolutely false. When you have an aggregation of communities, those with power at the moment will assert themselves over other competing voices, and this only serves to stifle disenfranchised and underrepresented voices. The notion that all voices have equal footing and get equal treatment is utterly naive, unrealistic, and dangerous. This is politics, not peace and conflict studies.

      23, D, pragmatic progressive (-4.50, -5.18), CA-14.

      by kurykh on Wed May 08, 2013 at 05:40:47 PM PDT

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