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  •  oh, and you must have missed the point in my (7+ / 0-)

    diary where i speak of the poverty, the lack of hope, the bleak future many young people have in my town...

    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:31:07 AM PDT

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    •  that's because you endorse the criminalization... (0+ / 0-)

      ...of their health problem (addiction, depression, anxiety).

      you're part of the problem.

      Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

      by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:37:21 AM PDT

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      •  that seems unlikely (15+ / 0-)
        We need to help stop the war on drugs

        Which would stop those kinds of shoot outs.

        Make them legal, treat them like alcohol is treated = stopping the violence....

        by splashy on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:36:40 PM EDT

        i totally agree - but the sad reality is that if

        that were done overnight, economies of many nations would collapse!...

        the  "war on drugs" is all about money - that hidden empire built on the backs of the users....

        by edrie on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 05:20:40 PM EDT

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        by HudsonValleyMark on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:35:21 AM PDT

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        •  wow - you remember that? (14+ / 0-)

          thank you for linking that comment - i suggest everyone read james mills book "the underground empire" - he is an investigtive reporter who went into the undergound to examine the impact of drugs on the economy of nations like mexico and other nations.  the total economic impact of ending the "war" would be to bankrupt many of these nations because the bulk of their gdp comes from the monies laundered by drug cartels.

          the real problems that arise, the violence, the wrecked lives, the crimes commited because of addiction (both from the use of pharmaceuticals and alcohol) is devastating to those who are addicted.

          i have NO problem seeking the removal of the dealers from neighborhoods... most are not users - they are abusers AND they are violent.

          the shooting today is thought to be gang related - many of the gang turf wars are over drug distribution.  the "business" of illegal drugs is destroying entire generations of young people.  there is no simplistic answer to this problem. legalization and control is one option, but implementing that solution won't happen overnight.  turning a blind eye to the side effects of drug addiction (thefts, break-ins, violence and abuse) won't solve the problem, either.

          what really worries me is the new generation of drugs available are so much more dangerous than in the sixties and seventies.    some of the pharmaceuticals produce bizarre and psychotic reactions (the incident of the man who tried to "eat" the face of another in l.a. while on bath salts comes to mind).

          yet, our friend above wants to simply "legalize" drugs without considering the consequences?  that same poster admits to be registered as a libertarian - no government - no regulations?  isn't that the mantra?

          i'm tired.  a grandmother and 6 yr old were hurt today along with 4 other young men - one seriously.  gunfire is common around here.  a few houses down, a neighbor was shot and killed in front of his own home - no one knows who did it or why.  another man was shot sat. nite in front of his house.  a van pulled up and someone inside shot him.  he's in serious condition.

          so, do i mind the occasional "tail light is broken" stop?  not at all.  it is a game of cat and mouse around here because of the dealers... and the meth users (like the one who set fire to the house next door while squatting after the house was foreclosed.  why was it foreclosed?  because shorty was in jail for dealing meth.

          so, who's the victim here?  i say there are enough victims to go around... i have sympathy for those who are trying to get their lives back on track.  i don't have sympathy for those who don't care enough for others around them and themselves to take help when it is offered.

          we all make choices - some better than others...

          james mills - underground empire- should be required reading for all!  register for a virtual library card and it's a free download....

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:12:03 AM PDT

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          •  evidence that you really still don't get it (0+ / 0-)
            the shooting today is thought to be gang related - many of the gang turf wars are over drug distribution.  the "business" of illegal drugs is destroying entire generations of young people
            blah blah blah, blame the drugs, etc.

            the illegalization of drugs is what is destroying the generations. demonizing users of drugs, addicts is what causes many in our society to be marginalized.

            you refer to people who "deal meth" as if they are child rapists, it's your thinking that is warped. and your (and others) willingness to give up basic rights for a false sense of security is what has led us to develop into a disgraceful police state.

            so while you're worried about "new drugs", i'm worried about the complacency and lack of understanding of the system, as represented by your ill-informed opinion, which is incrementally giving more and more of our rights away.

            side note: while I'm a registered Libertarian (something that I've merely just not changed since I registered in 2008) -- it's not indicative of my views if you would actually view past diaries i've written about my views on things.

            Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

            by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:36:03 AM PDT

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            •  you come into this diary repeatedly to make (1+ / 0-)
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              spurious claims.  you have repeatedly said i made statements i have not made, you try to assign motivation to the comments YOU state that i made (but never did) and you try to stir controversy.

              either you have difficulty with reading comprehension or you are only here to stir up trouble (choosing the nicer word here).

              what ever it is, you are seriously out of line and you need to stop being a dick in someone else's diary.  every other person here has shown respect and has discussed ISSUES.  you have chosen repeatedly to make personal attacks and have furthered nothing in this discussion.  

              either you choose to participate in a discussion of the issue at hand or get the hell out of this diary!  your immature insults are childish and non-productive - unless your goal is to try to start a fight... and, frankly, it won't happen with me because i will not respond to your lies and distortions again.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:43:41 AM PDT

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              •  wrong (0+ / 0-)

                I've repeatedly put forth quantitative and qualitative arguments against your opinions.

                Obviously you were shellshocked to see that someone wasn't cheering on your police-state-worship, but that's no excuse to:

                1) Avoid responding to my points made (and i've put forth numerous in the comments to this diary).

                2) Playing the victim by insinuating that I've falsely quoted you or mis-represented your opinion (at just the right time too -- when you're put on the spot to defend your views).

                It doesn't really matter, in the end you're part of the Boomers, or as they're going to be referred to in history The Worst Generation.  The people who didn't have the intelligence or the guts to fight the drug war, neo-liberalism, and the police-state and military-industrial complex. Essentially, you can't really be reasoned with, you were raised in a two-party system and so you have two-party mindset.

                Eventually the wrong-headed people from your failed generation will be gone and one can only hope it will usher in a new age of enlightenment.

                Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

                by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:00:58 PM PDT

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        •  WA and CO doing our part (8+ / 0-)

          by decriminalizing marijuana last fall. It is absurd to ruin people's lives and fill prisons around pot possession. Legalization can also boost local economies and spur new businesses.

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