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  •  Nope. Won't work. (3+ / 0-)
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    If 100% of high school biology and geology teachers were degreed and given time and resources to be effective, then maybe I could be more confident.  But DK is full of examples where states allow religious teachings sway in elementary and middle-school classrooms, and you don't need me to point out the Texas Textbook Commission (or whatever they're called) as a bastion of truthiness -- the Faux Noise version, that is, not Colbert's.

    Let's remember that fact and truth aren't relevant in discussions where faith rules.  As long as sentient adults think the End Times are just around the corner (as did the Apostles, as I recall), nothing else matters.  Climate change?  If it's not a librul conspiracy, it's God's will.  Evolution?  That's just blasphemy, and there's no proof.  Carbon dating?  It's a complex and diabolical scientific hoax.  And so forth.

    Yep, Dark11Star, I'm a scientist, too, and I spent 20+ years in college arena classrooms.  And I made some headway there.  But the anti-intellectualism seems much worse these days, and ignorant people are loud and proud, not quietly embarrassed.  In fact, large numbers of voters put them into Senate seats and governorships and state legislatures, where too many have become bullies.

    If there were a Eugenie Scott-equivalent as the Science Resource Person in every public school in the country, then maybe we could relax.  Seems to me that your solution just allows the few remaining sane voices to be utterly overwhelmed.

    FWIW.

    tx

    (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 12.6 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

    by argomd on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:50:40 PM PDT

    •  I'm quite aware it would not work (0+ / 0-)

      One can dream though.  

      •  Heh, heh. (1+ / 0-)
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        Yeah, I knew you weren't serious, but lots of readers might have thought you were.  Hence my serious reply.

        Dreams?  Mine became nightmares long ago.  I grew up in the Sputnik era and retired post-Ronnie RayGun, with colleagues who knew SDI "Star Wars" was a physics hoax but took the federal largesse anyway.

        Ain't no limit to humans' ability to tailor their beliefs to those of their paymasters.  We can't fix willful stupid.

        Good luck on your dissertation and your defense.  Them was the days!

        (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 12.6 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

        by argomd on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:01:23 PM PDT

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        •  dissertation (1+ / 0-)
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          funny thing is that my dissertation has absolutely nothing to do with evolution...  I think I should enter this diary into the procrastination hall of fame.

          •  But by no means less valuable for being so. (1+ / 0-)
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            I just hope you have a broad enough window to enjoy (!) the creation of that dissertation and to turn it into what you want it to be.  If you do have that freedom, please savor it.  Almost any job outside of a tenured professorship means significant compromises of that freedom.  Perpetual post-docs are soul-killing.

            Doing science is like eating the very best dark chocolate.  Doing science you truly love is having lots of that chocolate and no need to watch your weight.

            If this is an example of what's on your mind as you prepare to enter the professional science community, then I fully expect to be hearing about you in years ahead.

            BTW, did you know that Eugenie Scott has just announced her imminent retirement from the National Center for Science Education?  Their focus has been evolution, but it's moving to climate change.  You might consider finding out more about the organization.

            (-7.62,-7.33) Carbon footprint 12.6 metric tons. l'Enfer, c'est les autres.

            by argomd on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:41:27 PM PDT

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