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  •  They aren't "their jobs" (2+ / 0-)

    They are jobs serving the people of Wisconsin.

    If the people of Wisconsin want to decertify their union, it is their right. That's what democracy is about.

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:02:51 PM PDT

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    •  Spoken like a true libertarian. n/t (4+ / 0-)

      "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more." - from the prophet Jeremiah

      by 3goldens on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:04:30 PM PDT

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    •  You aren't a left libertarian (11+ / 0-)

      If you support the government's right to destroy unions. You're a standard issue libertarian pretending to be a leftist.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:07:41 PM PDT

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      •  I have no opinion about private unions (2+ / 0-)
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        I don't see why taxpayers should shell out extra money for public unions.

        Even FDR thought public unions shouldn't exist. Was he a libertarian?

        Why should taxpayers who themselves are only paid what corporations deign to pay them have to pay more for services than they otherwise would have to?

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:12:56 PM PDT

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        •  That makes no sense (6+ / 0-)

          By that argument minimum wage laws shouldn't apply to government employees either. Of course, given your position on minimum wage I'm sure that won't be any sort of argument to you. But no, you aren't a left libertarian if you want to bust up unions based on who employs them.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:16:10 PM PDT

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          •  When have I ever opposed the minimum wage? (1+ / 0-)
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            I just want the best price/performance ratio for government services, just like you do for auto and health insurance).

            And not just for me, for all the $10/hr 7-11 workers who pay sales and property tax bills.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:21:12 PM PDT

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            •  I don't have auto or health insurance :) (4+ / 0-)
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              And even with government workers unions they still manage to do things far more effectively. The profit motive is what screws people out of their money.

              And not just for me, for all the $10/hr 7-11 workers who pay sales and property tax bills.
              Until the minimum wage gets raised I don't think there are a whole lot of 7-11 workers making $10/hour. And I might have mistaken someone else for you in the diary about raising minimum wage.

              Either way, by your argument minimum wage shouldn't apply to government workers because we should try to get the most work for the least money out of them. I'm not sure why that would be different for the non-government employees. Why do government employees not have a right to organize? It can't be because we want to pay less, because then you're saying there's no right. And then no one would have a right to organize, but you are fine with private sector unions.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:26:01 PM PDT

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              •  Why are you so hung up... (0+ / 0-)

                ...on asking me about minimum wage?

                Public sector workers should get the same pay, benefits, and protections as private workers. And the private sector should set the market in this regard. Public workers can always jump to a private job if they don't think they are being paid enough.

                The government has a responsibility to use precious tax dollars taken from private individuals as reasonably frugally as possible. The government isn't there to make jobs for people, it's there to serve its constituency (most of whom these days are not rich by a long shot) by providing services at a reasonable cost.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:36:31 PM PDT

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                •  You clearly dont think they (0+ / 0-)

                  Deserve the same protections or you wouldn't support breaking their union.

                  If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                  by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:43:49 PM PDT

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                  •  Lol (0+ / 0-)

                    Who in the private sector has a union these days?

                    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                    by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:45:34 PM PDT

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