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    And there's a reason I mentioned using the IWW method instead of the traditional method. It allows these sort of decisions to be made in the workplace among the workers
    Why would anyone want that? As it is, other workers aren't the ones who are helped by my accomplishments or feel the pain of my failures. The last thing experts want is having their compensation decided by other workers.
    Plus, the "mediocre" workers are just as necessary in every work place. If they weren't then they wouldn't be working there in the first place.
    They are necessary but replaceable. Mediocre tech people are a dime a dozen. The good people aren't replaceable easily.

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    by Sparhawk on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:36:35 PM PDT

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    •  Like I said (5+ / 0-)

      you don't understand solidarity.

      Why would anyone want that? As it is, other workers aren't the ones who are helped by my accomplishments or feel the pain of my failures. The last thing experts want is having their compensation decided by other workers.
      Why would anyone want to have a say in their workplace? Why would they want to organize with their coworkers so they could have a better place to work? Obviously, you're better than everyone else so you don't need other people. I hope for your sake that this continues to be true.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:41:12 PM PDT

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      •  Indeed (5+ / 0-)

        His comments are typical of the individualistic chauvinism that says I Am The Best and Will Always Have Power Over the Market Because I Am So Best-est.  Sadly this is endemic to our society.  Produces a lot of bitter people in the end as their rosy visions of success crumble, and perpetuates the power of capital over the people.

        Convincing people of the need for organized labor first requires educating them of the fragility of their position, that is to say, as individual standing alone in the market. Our society that celebrates the entrepreneur conveniently leaves out the much greater number of sad stories of persons destroyed by the market, even those hard working professionals happy to serve as an employee to make a firm private profits.  Guess they're just "inferior" programmers.

      •  Solidarity with who? (1+ / 0-)
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        If I'm a Googler and I'm in their top 10% of programmers doing cutting edge stuff I've almost certainly got options and a likely promotion path into management.

        Should I feel solidarity with the guy in the cubicle next to me who's a 50%er and does well enough not to be fired but not well enough to be promoted and get options?  Or with my manager, who was a star programmer like me a year ago and with the shareholders, given that my options make me effectively a shareholder?

        •  Yep, you're a special little snowflake (0+ / 0-)

          And you're better than everyone.

          You clearly don't understand solidarity and folks like you are part of the problem. Keep on screwing the rest of us though, I'm sure the folks in charge will never fuck you over. They never do that to the nouveau riche.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue May 07, 2013 at 10:20:25 AM PDT

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    •  Well, this thread is long past (2+ / 0-)
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      its sell by date, so I'll just say, "Congrats." You are an island unto yourself and you need a hand up from no one.

      I'd merely point out, though, that, eventually, you will. Or at the very least you'll notice injustices at your workplace and, possibly, want to do something about them. At that moment, a labor union- even for tech folks- would be of great use.

      Until then, no, of course a union is a horrific thought for you. You're king/queen of the world and gazing down from your lofty heights of superiority allows you to revel in it.

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