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  •  Laws are easier to change (5+ / 0-)
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    commonmass, lgmcp, gramofsam1, roycej, Ahianne

    in those countries. They're Parliamentary democracies. Yes, it was a milestone when those countries legalized marriage but the fight to reach that milestone wasn't as grassroots as it fundamentally has to be in the weirdest constitutional democracy on earth, the good old U.S of A.

    It will take a generation to make marriage equality happen in the US,  due to our strange variety of democratic mechanisms, as well as the unusual social culture of the deep south, and as a result an entire generation will grow up watching this hard-fought battle right in front of them. I wish it didn't have to take this long, but a side effect of it is that our younger citizens are learning every single day how important a major gay rights issue is.

    And the pro athletes are JUST NOW starting to come out. This is just getting started.

    •  Even if marriage equality happenes (4+ / 0-)

      it means nothing for whether (a) homophobia will be addressed and (b) whether other issues will be addressed

      I don't understand the hostility towards this idea

      We have seen it before

      It happened with the AA civil rights movement.

      After a certain points although there were more issues, people stopped wanting to address them here.

      Am I missing something? Why is this idea being attacked as not valid?

      •  Hey (2+ / 0-)
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        Richard Lyon, bruh1

        I appreciate your support. I feel like many people don't understand what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that gay rights organizations should be involved in other campaigns instead of just the fight for marriage equality. No where did I say that I didn't support marriage-equality which many people must think that I did. . Thank you for taking the time to understand the point that I'm trying to get across. :)  

        •  Marriage equality is (2+ / 0-)
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          the issue sine qua non for middle class white gay men. While marriage is an important issue for all the other people who live under the LGBT umbrella, it is by no means the only one. For many getting food on the table is more important than having a Martha Stewart wedding.

          •  Agree (2+ / 0-)
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            for the person who doesn't get married and is relying on the income that they made for their Social Security contribution, if they are losing their job due to discrimination over orientation then issues like ENDA are critical.

            Same with immigration being critical in non marriage context for people seeking asylum from countries that will kill,injure or inprison gays whether in the law or in fact

            For them, marriage would not be the solution

            It doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for marriage, but we should underestand that in framing it as the end of all (as you know people like Dan Savage and Andrew Sullivan have done) most straights are not going to care once this over to hear about other issues, and will ask because of the mixed messages "didn't you get what you want? Why are you bothering me with things other htings now?"

          •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

            "middle class white gay men". "Martha Stewart wedding".  Way to minimize what should be, at its heart, a basic human right.

            Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

            by lostboyjim on Tue May 07, 2013 at 07:40:32 AM PDT

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        •  I think your diary again is pretty clear (2+ / 0-)
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          Richard Lyon, alexforgue

          Their reaction is their baggage

          Unless again I m missing something, I don't think there's anything you can do about people projecting ill will onto you when you haven't said anything negative, and frankly even now reading your comment, I am like "there's nothing controversial about what he's saying to me"

          But then, that's because I realize the world is complicated. I can realize that marriage equality is important, and realize other issues are being drowned out at the same time.

          People at this site unfortunately like their world black and white, and emotional, rather t han thought driven. To me, this is not a good place to bring these things up that you are mentioning. Not because you are wrong, but because you are dealing with the wrong audience.

          A friend linked me to this,a nd I decided to respond mostly because people were beating up on you for what seemed like some unknown reason.

      •  what hostility? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm trying to have a rational conversation here. I'm not attacking anyone.

        I'm simply disagree with you. I think you're wrong. Is that not allowed here? Now you have to claim I'm attacking you? Why not just calmly respond to my points?

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