Skip to main content

View Diary: Gun Control Works So Well (228 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  There is no "beaten path" here. You lost round (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Texas Lefty, FrankRose

    one on the gun control issue.  Wasting months of bickering, arguing and attacking anyone who does not agree with your solution(s).  Where did it get us? Further divided and distrustful of one another while accomplishing NOTHING!

    As a transgendered woman, Conquiero, I believe that all religions should be banned or severely restricted.  But what stops my desires from becoming law?  The Constitution.  

    I've faced religions hatred and violence my entire life.  I've been assaulted, beaten, robbed and when I go to the police, what do they do? NOTHING!  "Well, if you didn't dress that way there wouldn't be a problem!"

    Your one-dimensional "solution" that denies those of us from legitimate discussion and participation in this process IS bigotry just like the religious zealots.  You are no better than they are.  It's the same hatred and the same emotional manipulation that denies our society the ability to progressively move forward.  

    My goal has always been Equity Under Law.  When you present a solution that includes "the restrictions" being made across the board for all Americans,  NO exceptions for LEO, the Military, the Secret Service, etc, then I'll listen.

    Up until that time you'll be wasting more lives by not actually addressing humanities violent nature as is revealed in our American Society today...  

    I am not safe from the Christian down the street whom thinks I should burn in hell.  I'm not safe from the institutionalized misogynistic policies of our created government.  

    Are any of us safe from the rape and pillaging of the Military Industrial Complex that sucks a trillion dollars a year from us all?  Are any of us safe from the School to Prison Pipeline that has become a self-feeding monster perpetuated by the Banksters that leads to a more violent culture and society?

    NOPE.  

    While it's great to hear that we may have common ground, it's you that has gone off the "beaten" path here, not me.  I've been paying attention and I don't get easily distracted by shinny objects.

    Guns didn't create these societal problems we face and "restricting" them won't fix them either.

    -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

    by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 08:28:20 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  gerrilea (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      rigcath

      I am ridiculously sorry that you have faced hatred and violence.  I say that with nothing but sincerity.

      But when you say things like this:

      Your one-dimensional "solution" that denies those of us from legitimate discussion and participation in this process IS bigotry just like the religious zealots.  You are no better than they are.  It's the same hatred and the same emotional manipulation that denies our society the ability to progressively move forward.  
      let's just say it gets in the way of having any kind of conversation at all.  I am no better than religious zealots because I want people to be subjected to a background check and have limited magazine sizes?

      Listen to yourself.  When I say that you have veered off the beaten track, this is precisely what I am referring to.

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Tue May 07, 2013 at 08:42:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  There never was any conversation here. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        FrankRose

        Just a lot of emotionally manipulative arguments and ad homimens meant to shut anyone up that doesn't agree with your solutions.

        What part of Equity Under Law do you not understand?  

        Seriously.  

        How will your precious gun control be constitutionally cognizable with the Miller Decision?  If you don't make the ban or restrictions universal?  Meaning every American including LEO, military etc.

        You'll waste years of continuing the status quo and more people will die.  How's that a legitimate position again?

        We have all the tools we need right now.  EDUCATE our children with critical logical thinking skills.  Teach them peaceful resolution to conflicts.  Act peacefully as a society (ending the death penalty, ending the racist drug war) and as a nation (ending unfunded resource wars).

        Unless we address how we are manipulated into being a violent society, no one will be any safer.  

        Why won't you address these things?  Fear? Hatred? Have you no ability to think critically?  Why do you accept the media's "solution" of how and not why people are violent?  Laziness? What?

        The British have finally figured that out:


        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

                The UK violent rate of 2034 per 100,000.
                Australia 1677 per 100,00.
                South Africa 1,609 per 100,000
                Canada 935 per 100,000

                The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents.

            -cut-

                Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

        Why can't we learn from their mistakes?  Why are we being misdirected and divided????

        I tried to point this problem out in this diary and was lambasted for it.

        You see, my position has never changed here.  I want to wake up in a nation where my fellow Americans don't feel the need to own a firearm or will use violence as their first and only solution to their problems.

        We need to stop criminalizing people.  JUST STOP IT!  The vicious cycle will never end and will never be corrected until we do.  Banning assault weapons, magazine sizes and UBC will give the Prison Industrial Complex a new clientele base for generations.  Is that what you want????  More generations of Americans economically, socially and politically oppressed by our Corporate Overlords????

        I don't.

        Have a great day, this is the end of my rant, for now.

        -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

        by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 09:52:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't think you're defending what you think you (0+ / 0-)

          are.

          You are aligning yourself with a group of people who do not have the same end goal in mind as you do.

          I read what your wrote, tried to push aside the attacks on my moral character, and I can see what your point is, but I'm telling you that you are arguing for the same thing as the RBKAers but for entirely different reasons.

          Doing away with gun regulations isn't going to stop criminalizing people.  

          I must say that I have never before seen the argument that we need to do away with gun regulations to attain a peaceful society.  That's  a new one.

          Also, I agree that universal background check should mean just that.

          I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

          by coquiero on Tue May 07, 2013 at 10:16:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  "I must say that I have never before seen the" (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            PavePusher

            argument..."

            The reason why you never saw it before is because I didn't say that, a strawman.

            Your moral character was brought when up said you were a "gun bigot".  You tried to defend your "morality" and I didn't fall for it.  The emotions, the hatred and authoritarian mentality are no different than any other bigot.  I see it for what it is, nothing more or less.  

            As for "aligning myself" with others.  The one thing we have in common is the Constitution and how we perceive it as the rules our government must follow.  It limits our government's actions, not ours.

            As I mentioned above, I detest all religions and believe they should be banned.  I won't get what I want even if I attempted an Article V solution, it won't happen.  Does this mean that I should degrade and attempt to deny those from exercising that right? Nope.  I'm a spiritual person that was once like them, I'm a recovering Catholic, so I can empathize with their beliefs.  They have every right to believe whatever the wish, even if it means my death, sadly.

            But I can educate my fellow Americans into seeing me as their equal.  I can show them through a lifetime of exposure that "Hey, she's just like me!"  I can show them that their beliefs intentionally spread fear and hatred and hurt me far worse than if they put a bullet in my head.  I can try to change the world, one person at a time. There are many that cannot see past their own bigotry to even allow me a moment to exist, that's what I detest the most.

            A closed mind.

            Same goes with the 2nd Amendment.  I believe we all have that individual right.  I know, for me, a firearm is meant for one thing, killing and I would pull the trigger if it came down to my life or yours.  I chose not to be a killer. That's my choice to make, not yours.  I've learned through the years that violence is easy and the escalation of violence even easier.  It's as easy as pulling the trigger, but that trigger doesn't pull itself.

            My fellow RKBA members have proven that they know and understand that reality better than anyone else here.  They actually understand that the violence comes from the person not the object they wield.

            And in that vain, I wholeheartedly agree.  If we are to progressively evolve as a society, and as a species, we must change ourselves.  

            I cannot stop people from believing what they do.  

            I cannot stop someone from pulling the trigger.

            But WE can teach them, together.

            We can give every American the tools they need to be successful Adults and then treat them that way.

            We, as a nation, must demand that our government follow the rules we gave it.  The expansion and protection of rights to all people, not their abrogation.

            In short, we must demand Equity Under Law if we are to move beyond the status quo. We must teach it and live it.

            You know what then? I won't care if my fellow Americans have the capacity to kill hundreds in seconds, why? Because I know they won't hurt me intentionally.

            I know that they will value my life as much as they value their own because I am their equal.

            -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

            by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:35:31 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Well, all I can say is what my mother used to (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              TFinSF

              tell me,  "People know you by the company you keep."

              As for "aligning myself" with others.  The one thing we have in common is the Constitution and how we perceive it as the rules our government must follow.
              That's just pure bullshit.  That somehow the constitution belongs to you and the RKBAers and the rightwing goofballs wearing bad hats with teabags taped to them.

              I believe in the constitution.  It's mine as much as yours.

              I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

              by coquiero on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:44:02 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  ROFL, so now you say I'm guilty because of (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                PavePusher

                the company I keep?

                Do you not understand that your false logic has no bearing on me?

                Hon, where did I say that the constitution was mine????  You failed at reading comprehension.  I said we shared how we view the Constitution, get it???

                Where did I say I was a teabagger?

                Where did I say I was a rightwing goofball?

                Prima Facia evidence that your bigotry is no different than the religious zealots amongst us.

                So much for your "moral superiority", when confronted with legitimate conversation, you belittle and attack to hide your failure to address the subject.

                LMFAO.

                Have a good day.

                -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

                by gerrilea on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:52:58 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  You just created another Strawman... (0+ / 0-)

                but this one is quite... flaccid.

                What you said:

                That somehow the constitution belongs to you and the RKBAers and the rightwing goofballs wearing bad hats with teabags taped to them.

                What she said (and you even quoted it...):

                The one thing we have in common is the Constitution and how we perceive it as the rules our government must follow.
                Your "translation" fails badly.

                Your hate-mail will be graded.

                by PavePusher on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:43:09 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Not even close (0+ / 0-)

                  Jesus, read your own comment.

                  If you and your ilk have in common "the Constitution and how we perceive it as the rules our government must follow", then logically she is claiming that I DON'T have that in common with you.

                  Hence my claim that you and she seem to think that your belief in the Constitution is somehow purer than mine.

                  That's total bullshit.

                  So my comment was totally appropriate and right on the money.

                  I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

                  by coquiero on Wed May 08, 2013 at 11:59:21 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site